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    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton  Name of the Claimant ? lowell Solicitors : Overdales solicitors  How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  13 may 2024 What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?   Not to my knowledge. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online but it was for a smaller amount they kept on increasing this with me asking Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. It was assigned to a debt collection agency  Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? yes  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes I also made offers to pay original creditor a smaller amount but was not replied to Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? I was made redundant and got a less paid job I also spent some time on furlough during covid and spent some 3 months on ssp off work. What was the date of your last payment? May 2021 Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes at the time I communicated with all my creditor's that I was running out of funds to pay the original agreements once my redundancy money ran out that was when my accounts defaulted. I then wrote to all my creditor's with pro rata offers of payments but debt collectors took over the accounts.
    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
    • So, your response was not received by the SCP as you did not send it with a valid stamp. Therefore, from my two option in post #14, the first option is the only one available to you, but you do not have the option of asking to be sentenced at the fixed penalty level as the reason the SCP did not receive your response was down to you. Here's a reminder of what to do: Respond to the SJPN by pleading “Not Guilty” to both charges. In the “Reasons for pleading Not Guilty” box state that you are willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge providing, and only providing, the “Fail to Provide Driver's Details" (FtP) charge is dropped. This is a tried and tested method to deal with your problem and is almost always successful. Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to do this "deal" because it needs the agreement of the police prosecutor.. During the pandemic courts made every effort to have as few  people as possible attend and they began doing this deal under the "Single Justice" procedure without the defendant's attendance. Some courts have carried this procedure on whilst others have reverted to a personal attendance being necessary. If you are required to attend, your case will be taken out of the SJ procedure and you will be given a date for a hearing in the normal Magistrates' Court. If that is the way they do it in the area involved you will have to attend, see the prosecutor and offer your "deal" in person. 
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Excellent IGNM! This is what the Cabot people came up against because the assignment instruments were copies contained in a book debt transfer. Although obiter it could be cited at disclosure and in a Part 18 request - don't you think?

 

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Does a book debt transfer amount to a valid assignment - depends on what the documernts say.

 

Court of Appeal obiter actually carries a lot of weight in the County Court so it should be cited.

 

I personally wouldn't use Part 18 to try and get a copy of the actual assignment - use CPR 31.14 - it specifically requires disclosure of any document mentioned in any claim form. witness statements etc

 

As an example if you just wanted them to answer a question - say asking the date of assignment that is what I would generally use Part 18 for IF HOWEVER you wanted the document I'd generally use 31.14

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Back from my hearing.

Application for permission to appeal granted.

 

Well done BA. Now we can all help with the appeal itself if you like.

Arrow Global/MBNA - Discontinued and paid costs

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Nationwide - Ran for cover of stay pending OFT case 3 yrs ago

RBS/Mint - Nothing for 4 yrs after S78 request

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The Judge recomended the appeal be heared by a chancery Judge who would have more knowledge of credit law.

 

I made him aware of s127, which he looked up and I quoted Wilson v FCT.

 

In general the judge was understanding and listened to my points unlike the previous hearing.

 

He still raised the moral argument though.

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Excellent...that is seriously well done...and of course we'll all help out - did he give any directions - presumably you've got to serve the other side.

 

Just out of interest which court is it in?

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Excellent result Broken Arrow. Sounds like this was a fairer judge than the last. I do wonder if the events of the past six months (bankers, banks, greed and devastation) has given these DJs a different insight. One can but hope.

 

Re the moral argument though - courts only deal in points of law. Don't they?

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Whooo hoooo! Made my day :D

 

Quite right Rhia - courts deal in law, not morals. As if HFO had any morals...whose morals are in question, I wonder?

 

Well done BA. Makes the first judge look like a bit of a monkey. Incidentally, a deputy district judge was sacked the other day - the first one in 30 years! Talk about a safe job!

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Excellent...that is seriously well done...and of course we'll all help out - did he give any directions - presumably you've got to serve the other side.

 

Just out of interest which court is it in?

 

Leeds

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Leeds

 

I'm in Sheffield - who was the Judge who did the permission to appeal.

 

If you post the date of the appeal, assuming I'm free, I'll come over and provide a bit of moral support

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Well, we need to get all the CAG big guns onto this to make sure it's watertight and that any 'moral' issues get blown out of the water. Look forward to another battle in the war against the vermin!

 

(Sorry, IGNM, didn't mean your 'moral' support!)

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Whooo hoooo! Made my day :D

 

 

Well done BA. Makes the first judge look like a bit of a monkey. Incidentally, a deputy district judge was sacked the other day - the first one in 30 years! Talk about a safe job!

 

That's unusual - although they do actually get rid of Deputy DJ's - a Deputy is only on a fixed term contract - its' not unknown for contracts not to be renewed but to sack one - do you know why? If so do tell

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The Judge recomended the appeal be heared by a chancery Judge who would have more knowledge of credit law.

 

I made him aware of s127, which he looked up and I quoted Wilson v FCT.

 

In general the judge was understanding and listened to my points unlike the previous hearing.

 

He still raised the moral argument though.

 

Well done BA. Don't worry about the 'moral' argument. This is a court of law - and Lord Hoffman's speech on 'unfair enrichment' will deal with the moral point.

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HSBC - Discontinued and paid costs

Nationwide - Ran for cover of stay pending OFT case 3 yrs ago

RBS/Mint - Nothing for 4 yrs after S78 request

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Quotes from the Daily Hansard Parliamentary Debate regarding Debt Collection and the Consumer Credit Act on 22 April 2009 beginning at column 338.

At column 341 Mr Andrew Mackinlay (Thurrock) (Lab) states:

The industry is rotten to the core, whether it is in-house recovery and collection, or where agents are used, or where the debt has been sold.” [my emphasis added]

At column 342 The Minister for Trade, Development and Consumer Affairs (Mr. Gareth Thomas) states:

“The OFT would expect the debt collection agency concerned to have checked the accuracy of the client data details that it received from the creditor or agency, and, where possible, to have obtained a copy of the original consumer credit agreement.” [my emphasis added]

See the original Hansard publication on the link below:

House of Commons Hansard Debates for 22 Apr 2009 (pt 0019)

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Regards – Richard.

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I don't know what I'm doing then...I'll check when I get home...if I'm free I'll come over to Leeds - what time are you up

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Have you been orderes to file a skeleton - even if you haven't as an LIP you'd get away with filing one - likewise doing an amended defence...

 

We need to come up with something good - and we will

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