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And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. 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( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 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    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Dear All,

 

I have been reading this forum for a while now and never posted, however over the last 2 months i have been embrolied in an investigation with a few DCA with an amazing positive result for me, and i'm hoping that for those of you who feel morally obligated to pay your debts then you will try this aswell as it allows you to clear your debts for a reduced amount.

 

Ok i shall start at the beginning, i have been employed by various different DCA's over the past 10 years, all major and all large, you have all been posting about them on here and those in the debt collection industry do read your posts you know!!!

 

I dont care if they read this though, might make them sit up and realise!!!

 

However due to ill health i was forced to stop working, then the bills mounted, i coundn't pay them, ignored them buried my head in the sand and well you know the rest.

 

The dreaded letters from the DCA's started and then phone calls, they were agressive and rude and didn't care about my situation. As a telephone debt collector i always took into consideration circumstances and treated everyone nicely and gave some very good reduced payment arrangements and knocked off thousands off balances, but would they do it for me??? NO!!!!

 

So after going through a bout of depression i picked myself up and decided that as i knew the DCA's inside out i would attack from the inside exactly where it hurts.

 

As you are all aware, currently there is this climate of keeping customer data secure and not breaching the data protection act or losing customer data.

 

Anyway having working for DCA's i know that the advisors on the end of the phone are all on a commission to collect/recover the most amount of money and whenever someone calls them saying they want to pay a large amount in full, pound signs flash up and everything else that they have been trained to do goes out of the window and this includes not breaching DPA.

 

Therefore i decided that as i had £40000 of debt albeit just for 5 different accounts with 5 different DCA's i would get my wife to call them stating that i was abroad and that she had received one of their letters/phonecalls and to save me the distress she just wanted to pay off the full balance there and then by debit/credit card. (i could just imagine the advisor on the other end of the phone thinking ching ching, hello bonus!!!!!!).

 

However, i got her to say to the advisor that she was unsure of the balance and that she would only pay the balance if heshe gave her following details:

 

Original Creditor

Original Account Or Credit Card Number so that she could cross reference our records

Current Balance

A Letter in the Post Confirming balance had been paid.

And that the default on the credit file would show as satisfied.

The advisors name and extension number and managers name in case of problems.

 

At this point she pretended to be running out of credits on her phone and said she would call back once topped up, the agents were like "please ensure you ask for me!!!" (they were thinking bonus again!!)

 

Now i can confirm to you all that almost all the major large DCAs record all of their calls mainly for training to improve collections techniques rather than anything else.

 

Would you believe that 4 out of the 5 creditors the advisors in the hope that my wife was about to clear a large sum of money gave her all the detals above, i mean she had to put on the caring wife act and not ask for the details in a robotic way. (naturally!!!!).

 

You can all see where this is going now.

 

Yep you guessed it, i rang all for DCAs the following day, asked to speak to the managers and explained that a member of their team had breached DPA but disclosing my personal details to my wife and that he/she had now caused marital problems as my wife was not aware that i had accumulated this debt and that i wanted a full investigation and that i was going to complain to the Information Commissioner and to the FOS.

 

All the managers assured me that they would investigate, i received a courtesy letter in the post from complaints departments to advise that they were investigation.

 

2 weeks later i received a letter confirming the breach and an apology to say that it wouldnt happen again and how they keep customer data secure and their responsibilities etc etc.

 

Based on the current climate and fears i rang them all threatened them with watchdog, press and formal complaint comlaints with the Information Commissioner and that i would also be seeking compensation at which point they offered me discounts on my balances.

 

To cut this story here, except for 1 DCA which didnt breach DPA, the other 4, their breaches reduced my total debt with them £32000 to £4800 effectively an 85% discount to balances.

 

Couldnt beleive it, i did have to push hard with my threats but ultimately they bought the debts for peanuts, i know ive worked there and therefore better to take 15% of balances rather than have a complaint logged with official bodies.

 

I would suggest you all give it a try, no harm, although i wouldnt expect such high discounts although 50% should be achievable and possibly even 100% on smaller balances under £500, (FOS charge £450 just to investigate complaint!!). I know the limits as i've seen them done with my own eyes whilst in employment.

 

If any of you do try this, please post on here!!!!

 

Morally my debts have been paid and i feel happy.!!!!!

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p.s i forgot to mention, during my career within DCAs breaching the data protection act was one of the most serious things than an advisor could do, as ultimately large organisations will only sell their debts to DCAs who keep data secure and thus no matter how much a DCA offered to purchase if it had a bad rep for data security it would be unable to purchase debt simply because the financial institutions would not want their reputations tarnished by association.

 

In relation to the above, if u manage to get a DPA breach for smaller debts under £500 then offer 10% of the balance to clear and negotiate upwards once your complaint has been resolved.

 

Happy settling.!!!

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Full and Final settlements should always be done through a third party if possible National Debtline England & Wales | Debt Advice | Factsheet 24 Full And Final Settlement Offers or there is nothing to stop the balance being sold to another DCA who will try to recover it. Making a payment will allow them another six years in which to pester at a time of their choice.

 

It's always to better to challenge them on the legality of the claim to own or right to collect, as only about 5% of unsecured debts are suitable for litigation http://www.credit-manager.co.uk/other/CCR%20May07%20UKDebtCrisis.pdf If the OC doesn't take you to court fairly swiftly, there's a high probability that it won't/can't happen.

 

Even if your F&F is accepted, and a DCA doesn't screw you for the remainder, the unsettled balance will stay on your credit file for Six years and sends a message to a potential lender that is more damaging than a CCJ!!

 

Just a few things to consider.

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This all sounds a little suspect to me, especially when it got to the '50% should be achievable' bit lol. That's just my opinion though. C'est la vie! Oui, oui, oui monsieur.

 

50% is where most of them start in the standard threatogram cycle but it's never that straightforward, it's all part of the moneymaking [problem]. People need to be aware that the actual 'value' of the debt is probably next to nothing, and the OC won't be losing out, or they wouldn't have ditched it in the first place if it still had value.

 

What looks a little suspect to me, is the pretending to be abroad thing and then the 'Morally paid up' statement. Is pretending to be abroad to get a settlement morally right?? Wouldn't it be better to just see them off in a legal way??....but that's down to personal opinion at the end of the day.;)

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DCA's routinely break the DPA - when you complain, you will simply get a letter back from complaints saying they have listened to the calls and no breach of DPA occurred.

 

When you ask for a recording of the call, they mysteriously disappear.

 

I too smell something fishy, and it's not the contents of ODC's trousers ...

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Applying for csa and sar is our consumer right and thats why this site advises us of this. We dont need to be encouraged to go down the standards of the dca's tricking information out of people.

 

We know the dca's regulary flout the data protection act and they are perfectly happy to deny it. You have to bare in mind they would love this site to be linked with debt avoidance rather than advice we are entitled to.

 

Avoid the troll:razz:

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If the OP is a DCA employee, as seems to be the case, then it's no surprise that they will occasionally jump straight into the forums and try to lead you into a trap. That's what DCA employees do - but the chances of getting away with it on CAG are pretty slim. They get what they deserve and that's part of the fun :) .

 

If the OP has no connections with a DCA and thinks there is something to be gained by a 'moral' campaign on CAG or similar sites, in an attempt to get people to pay debts they may not owe, or not have any legal obligation to pay, then there are probably mental health issues involved. Don't be too quick to condemn.

 

Then there is a small possibility the OP had good intentions, but just didn't put them across too well.

 

Don't scare reducedsettlements away too soon. (S)he might be someone in need of advice/help of some kind.

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Fair enough, OP is more than welcome to ask for advice. Even dca's can fall on hard times, it would be nice for them to realise that their profession is under more and more scrutiny, all we ask for is to be treat with dignity within the law and not like poop. They put all on us in the basket of debt avoiders and push some of us to the brink of suicide, sorry if I have no personal sympathy for OP as a result.

 

What we really would love is a copy of their company training manuals, with evidence of them willfully flouting the consumer laws appearing here. People would then realise we need help from govt to regulate them better.

 

Any dca can anonymously post them, if they really care xx. Ps peed off I stupidly missed my doctors appointment today, so a bit too stressed.:mad:

 

RANT OVER :)

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Troll, DCA insider?????????

 

Ok i can categorically state that i am no longer working within the DCA industry, my aim as per the post earlier has been to provide some advice as to how things really are within the DCAs that i had cut my cloth.

 

Having been a reader of this forum for a while, i thought i would add my opinions as to how some of you may be able to settle your debts for a discount.

 

I am in no way trying to get anyone to acknowledge their debts, come in for further hassle or stress from DCA's nor do i condone debt avoidance which may of the posters on this website seem to peddle.

 

I currently provide debt guidance/counselling via a voluntary organisation in my spare time and the majority of people i speak to are genuinely concerned re their debts and how they can manage them and the advice i provide is similar to a DMP although i nor the organisation i work for charge for this service and we merely provide the tools for the individuals to contact their creditors and set up reduced payment plans, much like what many on this site advise.

 

In regards to my advice in my 1st post and my experience, i shall try to address some of the comments and criticisms:

 

1. That f and f's should only be done by 3rd parties in order to stop if being passed on to another DCA, if managed and handled properly there is no need to do this, at no point have i mentioned to just call the DCA and offer to pay a reduced amount and pay it there and then on the phone.

 

Having lodged a complaint which the DCA would have to deal with under FOS guidelines and therefore there is an official complaints trail and it is under the guidance of this process that you should look to get a reduction in the balance and written confirmation of this, together with a written understanding that the debt would be settled with no further action and for it to be reflected on your credit file as satisfied, you should obtain all this in writing 1st, then once payment has been made chase a letter from the complaints department confirming that payment has been made and that the complaint has now been resolved. Under the FOS complaints guidelines this has to be done as otherwise the complaint can be escalated to the FOS which would then ultimately investigate and beleive me no DCA wants this as it damages reputation.

 

2. That the complaints department will simply say that they have listened to the call and there was no breach and that the call has mysteriously disappeared?? I mean come on guys i know there is a mistrust of DCAs but are you also suggesting that we should all mistrust the information commissioners office and the Financial Ombudsman service and the Credit Services Association (all of whom you all recomend individuals should escalate things to??) as if the complaints department does say the above you are within your rights to request a copy of the call (S.A.R) and if the call is not produced you would need to advise that you would then complain to the Information Commissioners Office and the FOS for not dealing with your complaint in a satisfactory manner as dont forget you will only be doing any other this once you know 100% that your Data was not kept secure.

 

Lastly that i am trying to get anyone to pay for any debts that are not theirs or that they dont acknowledge?? What i would say to this is absolutely not. Those who should take my advice is where there is a genuine debt that is being chased by a DCA that is legally entitled to do so, where the paperwork is all in order (CCA etc) and that you want to resolve and pay off the debt rather than go through the never ending merry go round of debt avoidance and constantly fighting DCAs and batting away their phone calls, letters, threats, home visits (which do happen, although people think these are bailiffs when in fact those who visit you at home just want to speak to you rearding the debt rather than take your belongings as they can only do this with a court order). Some of you on this website are mentally strong and able to keep doing this for a sustained period of time, ive worked for DCAs and i'm strong however by burying my head in the sand even i got sick and tired of not answering phone calls and the post man calling with the mail. Thus my advice is only for those where everything is above board and that they merely want to resolve everything and that you have a white knight prepared to lend you the money or you have some savings to clear your debts in order to move on with your life like i have.

 

Ultimately to me it makes no difference whether any of you decide to take my advice or not, however if any of you do manage to get an advisor to breach Data Protection Act, try the discount route and if you are sucessful then i would like you to post on here!!!

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You post is so similar to past ones we have had from DCA threat operatives before. The phrases you use are practcally identical. Time the DCA apologists got a new script.

 

Sorry Im with the majority on here and smell a troll

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I am in no way trying to get anyone to acknowledge their debts, come in for further hassle or stress from DCA's nor do i condone debt avoidance which may of the posters on this website seem to peddle.

 

 

Ultimately to me it makes no difference whether any of you decide to take my advice or not, however if any of you do manage to get an advisor to breach Data Protection Act, try the discount route and if you are sucessful then i would like you to post on here!!!

 

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

 

Boy oh Boy.

 

We've seen all this before haven't we?? :rolleyes:

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DCA threat operative??

 

The language is the same as we have all been in the industry and know what it is like, it is hard o the consumer and yes all the tricks are used to get individuals to pay, and some of them are quite nasty hence i though by posting on this site i might actually fight the consumer cause, maybe i havent gotten my point across aswell and maybe the language i use it because i do come from a DCA background, however an insider i am not and ultimaely if anyone here would really like assistance in actually clearing up their debts and getting rid of DCAs out of their lives then please let me know and i would be happy to help.

 

The reason that the current organisation i work for in a voluntary capacity chose to take me on is because of my knowledge of DCAs and that i know what makes them tick and how to get them off the backs of those who are most vulnerable in society.

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We certainly have - now chaps, it's a happy day - let's not have a feeding frenzy?

 

Just think of the shock the poor banks and DCA's have had thinking they might not be able to bully people into paying back money the banks' charging has created ...

 

Some sympathy may be required - anyone else feel like going into their local branch and asking if they want to talk about it?

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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There you go again. ' If any of you do manage to get an advisor to breach' Shows wilfull manipulation and fraud. If they breach it a genuine complaint can be made, there is no need to sink so low to bribery. Our genuine rights and helpful experienced advise (ps Im still learning)will speak common sence and also at same time avoid willfull fraud. Ps Credit files dont always state f and f as settled until they drop of the report after six years, dca's are known for still trying to sell them on and the battle begins again. Hey ho.

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You're right Tiglet.

 

I'm actually feeling quite charitable today, so I'll take a back seat and let others let off a bit of steam.

 

I can feel it in my bones that many DCA's will be shrinking in size and preferably biting the dust altogether in the not too distant future. :)

HOIST BY THEIR OWN PETARD.

 

Blimey it works....:-)

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