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    • Thank you everyone!  thought to share some points from my experience in court today that may help others who are taking Evri to court: The judge sets out how the hearing will go and how each party should behave; while i was certainly feeling anxious/nervous ahead of the hearing (and I'm sure @jk2054 may have also observed this), the judge really does try to put any non-legal persons at ease; refrain from talking to the other party and instead speak to the judge if you have any questions/responses; the judge and the advocate spoke about tort of negligence - i wasn't sure how this applied to my case but the judge was questionning the advocate about this so i chose to stay out of this; the judge made reference to a historical case of Donaghue v Stevenson which established a duty of care; the judge observed that some of the points in Evri's witness statement by george wood needed cross examination but george was not present today for questionning; While i was claiming 8% interest, the judge pointed out that is the upper limit and that today, savings accounts give 4-5%. I therefore opted for 5% interest which was agreed to by the judge and the advocate; above all else, ensure you know your court bundle and have any notes to help you refer to specific sections - it helped me to structure my answers to the judge/defendant's queries, and point to specific evidence where i was asked to prove e.g., the value of the item. @honeybee13 - yes, will confirm when payment is received. I have emailed the Evri.claims email with my bank details and also provided them after the hearing to the advocate. @BankFodder message received and i am replying to it
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    • So a little update.  I sent a complaint to ico and have heard nothing. I just got the general reply email and that's it.  Sat twiddling my thumbs and thought about what I should do next. I searched for the CEO of Studio but then found that he'd left so as keep getting letters from studio about the arrears etc. I thought I'd email the David Twigg. Sent him all the bumpft and a copy of my original complaint and sars request.  Got no response. So didn't know what else to do. Then I thought I'd try through the financial difficulties option on the online form. One last try before I just give up and let them default me.  Then on the 5th June. I got an email from their customer services. That the items that had gone AWOL have all been cancelled. Nothing else on that email, so I had a look in an email account that I don't use anymore and there was an email from the customer service.  That they were sorry for the problems I've had for the last 9 months. That the sars info was emailed to me on 14/04, it wasn't I've kept all spam and deleted emails on that account, they have raised a complaint with their studio pay team regarding the issues, balance dispute, fee's and my credit file. They are hoping to resolve in 3 days but they have upto 56. They also said in regards to my other issues I have to raise a complaint with studio retail but haven't told me how I do that.  The sars info only goes upto the end of December 2023. It has my previous complaints on there but nothing after so I don't know how I get hold of that information. Luckily I've kept copies of every time I've contacted them. Every web chat or social media contact.  Apologies for the extremely long post but I wanted to add everything I could just incase.  I have checked my account balance and it's still minus 900 odd pounds but I'll keep checking to see if it's all cleared and on my credit file.  I'm hoping this is the end of the whole debacle and they close my account because I never want to do this again. Although it's been a learning experience.  Thanks to dx100uk for pointing me in the right direction. Much appreciated.   
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
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I always send any important post either special or recorded delivery - you get proof that way of receipt.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Would you send replies to PPCs recorded? The proson, I am looking into the for is literally watching their pennies. My only concern is, knowing the lying [problem] we up against, PPC will just deny ever receiving it. Cheers in advance!

waste of time stamp money they will just ignore it

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No, it's not a waste because if you ever need to prove anything in court, you would have the receipt.

 

It is always important to have a paper trail and to be able to show documents were received, whether they are ignored or not.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Thank you. Now, just noticed the sneaky b****rds only gave a PO Box address on their invoice - registered or recorded will not be accepted by Post Offic if it's a PO Box address. Need to find where this PPC is actually based and send it to their actual office.

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They can - although they need to be collected with a set time.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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In any subsequent Court action the Judge would only look to confirm that the Plaintiff had made reasonable attempts to contact the Defendant and given notice before any Court action. The Defendant is not obliged to reply to unsolicited demands for payment before any Court Hearing.

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as i said no point wasting your money you cannot be forced to pay an unenforceable invioce fact.the only thing you owe them is for there loss.which if its a free car park its zero if its a 1.00 a hour and you overstay a hour or do not pay for the hour you are there you owe them a 1.00.anything else is a penalty. NOT ALLOWED IN CONTRACT LAW checkout legal petes sticker its all there

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It is a free shopping centre car park. The person's car wheel was over parking box line. It is a total [problem], I checked their signage and in my opinion it is designed NOT to be visible, but that's a longer argument then the one I am pusuing. I want help that person to get out of it as they take it a bit more serious rather then for what it is - Dutch lottery, so popular in the 90's.

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Up to your friend, of course, but I've found it prudent to always ensure i can back up everything.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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as i said no point wasting your money you cannot be forced to pay an unenforceable invioce fact.the only thing you owe them is for there loss.which if its a free car park its zero if its a 1.00 a hour and you overstay a hour or do not pay for the hour you are there you owe them a 1.00.anything else is a penalty. NOT ALLOWED IN CONTRACT LAW checkout legal petes sticker its all there

 

Untrue, they can also claim enforcement costs and consequential losses.

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Would you send replies to PPCs recorded? The proson, I am looking into the for is literally watching their pennies. My only concern is, knowing the lying [problem] we up against, PPC will just deny ever receiving it. Cheers in advance!

 

Personally I would not entertain PPC's with any corrispondance other that of answering to a bonified court summonds for the following reasons:

 

1) They have written to you as the RK and not the driver - their first failure in their attempt to prove a contract exists.

 

2) None of the corrispondance they send are recorded and therefore they have no proof of delivery to show a court.

 

3) By responding, you only prove that you exist and simply encorages them to persue you more.

 

4) The game they play, is that of intimidation - no corrispondance from them is designed to correct an incorrectly issues invoice - their only agender is to extract as much money as possible form you with the least amount effort - sending threatening letters serves this purpous excellently!

 

5) In entering into a 'dialogue' with these types only adds to a very stressful situation - ignoring is by far an easier and less stressful option in my view.

 

As a last point - if I ever (and I'm quite looking forward to it in a funny way) go to court to face a PPC - I will be delivering by hand to the PPC, in front of the Judge, a letter. It will be along the lines of the following:

 

By reading this letter you agree to enter into a contract with me and agree to pay me immediatly the sum of £10000 in compensation of all the stress and anguish caused by these proceeding. The sum of £10000 will allow me to take a very nice luxury holiday where I can relax and forget about everything your company has put me through over the last 'XX' months in alledging that a contract existed between me as the RK and the landowner and having suffered continued harrasment in your relentless persuit of monies alledgedly owed.

 

This I think sums up well the question of contract law that the PPC's are reliant on in winning any case in court.

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Personally I would not entertain PPC's with any corrispondance other that of answering to a bonified court summonds for the following reasons:

 

1) They have written to you as the RK and not the driver - their first failure in their attempt to prove a contract exists.

 

2) None of the corrispondance they send are recorded and therefore they have no proof of delivery to show a court.

 

3) By responding, you only prove that you exist and simply encorages them to persue you more.

 

4) The game they play, is that of intimidation - no corrispondance from them is designed to correct an incorrectly issues invoice - their only agender is to extract as much money as possible form you with the least amount effort - sending threatening letters serves this purpous excellently!

 

5) In entering into a 'dialogue' with these types only adds to a very stressful situation - ignoring is by far an easier and less stressful option in my view.

 

As a last point - if I ever (and I'm quite looking forward to it in a funny way) go to court to face a PPC - I will be delivering by hand to the PPC, in front of the Judge, a letter. It will be along the lines of the following:

 

By reading this letter you agree to enter into a contract with me and agree to pay me immediatly the sum of £10000 in compensation of all the stress and anguish caused by these proceeding. The sum of £10000 will allow me to take a very nice luxury holiday where I can relax and forget about everything your company has put me through over the last 'XX' months in alledging that a contract existed between me as the RK and the landowner and having suffered continued harrasment in your relentless persuit of monies alledgedly owed.

 

This I think sums up well the question of contract law that the PPC's are reliant on in winning any case in court.

thanyou im glad someone else knows how there [problem] works
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Personally I would not entertain PPC's with any corrispondance other that of answering to a bonified court summonds for the following reasons:

 

1) They have written to you as the RK and not the driver - their first failure in their attempt to prove a contract exists.

 

2) None of the corrispondance they send are recorded and therefore they have no proof of delivery to show a court.

 

3) By responding, you only prove that you exist and simply encorages them to persue you more.

 

4) The game they play, is that of intimidation - no corrispondance from them is designed to correct an incorrectly issues invoice - their only agender is to extract as much money as possible form you with the least amount effort - sending threatening letters serves this purpous excellently!

 

5) In entering into a 'dialogue' with these types only adds to a very stressful situation - ignoring is by far an easier and less stressful option in my view.

 

As a last point - if I ever (and I'm quite looking forward to it in a funny way) go to court to face a PPC - I will be delivering by hand to the PPC, in front of the Judge, a letter. It will be along the lines of the following:

 

By reading this letter you agree to enter into a contract with me and agree to pay me immediatly the sum of £10000 in compensation of all the stress and anguish caused by these proceeding. The sum of £10000 will allow me to take a very nice luxury holiday where I can relax and forget about everything your company has put me through over the last 'XX' months in alledging that a contract existed between me as the RK and the landowner and having suffered continued harrasment in your relentless persuit of monies alledgedly owed.

 

This I think sums up well the question of contract law that the PPC's are reliant on in winning any case in court.

 

 

Up to you but personally I think that your approach will undermine your position.

 

The template letters in the stickies have been carefully crafted to seek information which the PPC will need to produce in court to substantiate their claim.

 

To my knowledge no one using these templates has had this information provided to them.

 

The templates are also designed to show that a reasonable approach has been taken in the matter. Following them will mean that the motorist remains in control and stress can be minimised.

 

There is a disadvantage in them that the motorist could be regarded as a "fish on the hook" but that is where the "cease and desist" letter comes in. In my view the benefits of using the templates outweigh the disadvantages.

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The only interpretation permitted on this post (or any others I may have made) is that this is what I would personally consider doing in the circumstances discussed. Each and every reader of this post or any other I may have made must take responsibility for forming their own view and making their own decision.

I receive an unwieldy number of private messages. I am happy to respond to messages posted on open forum but am unable to respond to private messages, seeking advice, when the substance of that message should properly be on the open forum.

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I would concur - I would never advise ignoring this sort of thing because you never know when that could bite you on the bum - always better to be able to prove you acted decently.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Thank you. Now, just noticed the sneaky b****rds only gave a PO Box address on their invoice - registered or recorded will not be accepted by Post Offic if it's a PO Box address. Need to find where this PPC is actually based and send it to their actual office.

 

Remember that PO Boxes are not confidential. The Post Office should give you the name and address of the Box holder

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I'm with Bernie on this one [most of the time], using the templates does give added protection [it's more fun as well]. The only proviso is that there are certain companies which are just so unreasonable that ignoring does not add any significant risk.

 

UK PAO & UKCPS spring to mind, they both try to insist that adding £3 / day to a £60 charge is a reasonable thing to do, "liquidated damages" they call it. When a company does something so blatantly indefensible from the off, the normal precautions are simply not necessary.

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