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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Oh dear just got this:

Scotcall Debt Collecting Services

 

Doorstep Collection Notice

My outstanding debt (£66.80) has been placed with scotcall. Failure to pay or contact in 7 days from date on letter (2nd march) will result in my account being passed onto Field Representatives to arrange a doorstep call.

To avoid they require immediate payment in full, or contact immediately with a realistic offer of repayment. I can pay online or call an 0870 number .

i know it's not a big debt (my others are) but it's to do with a mix-up about a phone (3) contract and the Indian call centre not processing my new details correctly.

 

Anyway i suspect they are pushing thier luck?? how should i deal with them?

 

Thankyou.:confused:

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If they do turn up, quote the following at them:

 

"Be advised OFT rules and regulations clearly state that you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you. There is only an implied license under Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.).

 

Therefore take note that I revoke license under Law for you, or your representatives, to visit me at my property and if you persist in sending “doorstep callers” to my home, you will be reported for harassment and be liable for damages for a tort of trespass. You would also be liable for conspiring in a tort of trespass by acting in defiance of my instructions and sending someone to visit me nevertheless."

 

 

Then slam the door in their face.

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Thankyou for the speedy replies!

 

Yes i know what it is for, an old contract with 3G, they are trying to get 2 months out of my after my contract ended, i got new contract with them, new numb and phone, and was told at Indian call centre where i sorted new phone out my old contract would be closed (i'd had it for the full 18months) now they are saying i should have closed it in writing, i cancelled my old DD straight away and set up the new one, they wrote to me 2 months later after not being able to get the money from my bank, untill then i was unaware there was a problem.

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Tiglet and Scarlet are spot on, if you want to have something in writing, send them this by recorded delivery...

 

Dear xxxx

 

Account Ref xxxx

 

Please be advised that I will only communicate with you in writing. I have noted your repeated attempts to contact me by telephone over the past few weeks/months and these have been duly logged by time and date.

 

Furthermore, should it be your intention to arrange a “doorstep call”, please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you.

 

There is only an implied license under English Common Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.). Therefore take note that I revoke license under Common Law for you, or your representatives to visit me at my property and if you do so, then you will be liable to damages for a tort of trespass and action will be taken, including but not limited to, police attendance.

 

Yours faithfully/sincerely

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Urgh they are cheeky, we sent them the do not visit letter and they turned up on the doorstep after it!

 

 

How did you deal with them?

 

Were you able to get rid? I would have panicked with out this site helping, i am trying to deal with various debts (from stupid charges etc) without hassle for my partner, he is on medication for depression, if he see's this letter threatening a doorstep call he won't cope right now, even though this is in my name.

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Hi. I know the original query is 4 years old but it is worth pointing out that there is no law of tresspass in Scotland so I don't know if that letter would be applicable.

I am not sure what law would cover this although I am aware that the calling without appointment rule is still applicable.

I've received a similar letter from Scotcall and would be interested if anyone has any suggestions.

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As far as im aware, its illegal for them to call at a scottish residence.

 

Also Trespass (Scotland) Act 1865 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/28-29/56

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The simple fact that no one is oblige to discuss anything with any doorstep caller, jus invite them to leave and close the door, a simple and easy remedy.

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Hi

I have been in financial difficulties since my husband left 15 months ago, he returned to America and has nothing to do with me and our 4 kids. Prior to this we were ona debt management plan with the CCCS but all letters were addressed to him and forwarded on and he ignored them all and they cancelled the DMP.

I am doing a degree and MUST finish my last year.

This morning I got this email:

 

 

We have been appointed by the above client to recover from you the amount owed on the above contract.

 

Our client is disappointed that despite their attempts to contact you, you failed to pay or advise them of any financial problems that you may be having. We have therefore been instructed to visit you at your home to either collect the full balance due, or make arrangements for this long overdue debt to be repaid as quickly as possible.

 

To resolve this matter without the need for a personal visit, you should call one of our Advisors on 0844 257 8555 who will discuss your repayment options with you. Alternatively, you can repay the outstanding balance online using a debit or credit card at

 

If you are experiencing financial difficulties, please let us know and we will do our upmost to help you.

 

If you choose to ignore this notice, we are left with no option but to instruct one of our Debt Collection Agents to visit you to discuss your proposals for repayment.

 

If you have received this email in error please notify us by calling the number below.

 

 

Any advice on what I should do would be gratefully received.

 

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Threatogram...

 

Email them or write to them advising them that they are allowed to visit you at home ONLY by appointment and that you have NO intention of making an appointment EVER!

There is a template letter in the library.

 

Hope this helps

 

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Hi, Welcome to CAG,

 

The threat of doorstep collectors is designed to make you contact them by phone pleas do not be tempted to do so.

 

They have no authority what so ever.

 

Are the debts in your husbands name alone if so you have no liability to them what so ever.

 

So send this to The Compliance Manager at Scottcall by recorded delivery.

 

Ref: as on their e-mail/letters.

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

 

I refer to your e-mail dated xx xx xxxx and the ''threat ''of an agent visiting my home, please be advised no such visit is to be made, all permissions implied or explicit are withdrawn for ant agent, representative or employee of Scottcall or any associated company to visit my home.

 

 

ALL contact MUST now be by Royal Mail (proof of posting is not accetable as proof of delivery.

 

As all correspondence regarding this matter is addressed to my estranged husband who is no longer resident in the UK I now inform you that I do not acknowledge any debt, obligaton or liability to Scottcal or any company you may claim to represent.

All mail has been forwarded to the original addressee.

 

I now insist that you cease all contact with me concerning my estranged husbands debts.

 

You can e-mail this but please follw it up by recorded delivery.

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In your name yet all letters addressed to him?

 

Are the debts in realtion to his business and in the business name?

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This particular debt is in my name. In my original post I meant the CCCS correspondance was in his name which is why they were forwarded to him (I didnt open his mail) and he ignored them, which is then why they cancelled the debt management plan due to lack of contact.

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Dear Sir/Madam

 

You have stated your intention to perform a home visit at [insert address here], In order to ensure that you are dealt in a similar manner to any other unwanted visitor can you please answer the following questions.

 

As part of your eviction from my property

 

1. Would you prefer to be savaged by

 

a. Rottweiler,

b. German Shepherd,

c. Akita,

d. Staffordshire Bull Terrier* (*please note due to the size difference with our Staffordshire Bull terriers and the other breeds held at the above property, more than one Staffordshire Bull Terrier will be set on you, this is also to ensure that you receive an equal service quantity-wise)

 

2. Would you like to order a video recording of your eviction (carries a standard fee of £50)

 

3. Would you like a medical Professional present for your eviction? (carries a standard fee of £500)

 

 

Kind Regards

 

XXXXXX

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