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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Wonder if this is a new ploy of theirs. Rent a postbox in lots of major cities to fool people into thinking they are operating in offices all over the country instead of the Leeds Threat Centre

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Out of interest Bradley Stoke was once the repossession capital of England, the GP surgerys there were broken into so many times it prompted the NHS to have a computerised system.

 

On a side line the Leeds loosers have picked another lemon in the orchard to plant their seeds....

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Hi everyone,i am new to this...And it's my first post...

I have been recieving debt letters from Red,Lowell and today,Hamptons...All threatining me with court,bailiffs etc etc...

I have been reading some of the posts you have all been putting on here and like to say that i have got some good advice from them...

I am indeed typing up a letter to hamptons right now demanding to send me proof that they now own the debt.

As i am currently recieving letters from all three debt companies...I dont know which one i need to pay my debt to...I do not want to be making payment to one and then i get told i have not made payment on the account at all and they have been scaming me and pocketing the money...

The debt i owe was a contract in my name(Vodafone) that i got out back in begining of 2007 for a friend in which the phone was stolen and a huge bill apeared...

Seeing as i was not the one using the phone,i made my friend 3rd party so she could discuss anything to do with the contract,with Vodafone themselves...

Since end of 2007,i have not heard a thing from Vodafone nor a debt company,even though my friend told them the phone was stolen but she would pay off the bill monthly...

No contact or agreement was made by Vodafone,now since September this year,i have recieved numerous letters from Red,Lowell and now Hamptons all stating that they will take me to court,have someone come round etc etc...which of these companies does my friend need to make payment too...or do you think it is worth contacting Vodafone and paying them as i dont want my friend paying these companies when the debt is not actually getting paid and they are conning her out of her money...

Please help...

I would be very greatful...

Thanks

Kimi

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Hi Kimicolt,

 

Firstly, if you could have a read of this:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/welcome-consumer-forums/107001-how-do-i-dummies.html

 

it will help you to post on your own thread and not on this one as you will get lost within it.

 

Secondly, Lowells (AKA the Leeds Losers,lowlifes) Red and Hamptons (IL) legal are all desks in the same office. They just pass you on to make it look like they are serious. They wouldn't know serious if it bit them on the ar*e.

 

Bookmark this page:

 

The Consumer Forums - Debt collectors

 

Have a look at letter 3. This is to stop them coming to your door.

 

As you took out the contract on behalf of your friend, you could be liable for the debt but you say your friend is willing to pay this. In that case, there is a couple of steps you could take.

The first one I would do in every case and that is to send the "prove it" letter(letter 18 on the link above). Lowlifes have to provide proof that they have the right to be collecting this debt and if they don't have the paperwork to back it up they they can foxtrot oscar.

 

If they do have the proof, I would get a letter from your friend acknowledging that she is responsible for the debt and all correspondence be directed to her.

 

Do everything in writing

Send all letters by Recorded delivery

Don't sign anything, just print your name

 

The thing to remember with any DCA is that they cannot demand you pay them an amount they decide. You decide how much you (or she) can afford. If your friend can afford to clear the debt, go for a Full and Final settlement as DCA's buy debts for between 10 and 50% of their true value.

 

If you dispute the amount of the debt then a SAR to Vodafone would be in order to make sure that no charges have been applied to the debt and it would also show if the Leeds Losers haven't added their own charges on to it.

 

If you want this thread moved, click on the red triangle and ask nicely.

 

hope that helps.

 

 

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Kimi. Do not worry about Lowells/Red/Hamptons. They are all the same company commonly known on here as the Leeds Losers.

 

Did your friend report the phone stolen. She does not have to pay for calls she didnt make.

 

Unfortunately though you will be the fall guy/gal here as everything is in your name. What you need to do is STOP all telephone calls with these shysters. Insist on everything in WRITING. Demand a copy of a wriiten contract between yourself and Vodafone and Statements showing how the balance was reached.

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This all sounds very very familiar, all these companies have been sending me letters for some time now claiming I 'owe' £180 to 3G, a phone company I have never even dealt with. The strange thing is whenever I write to one of these companies and explain that I know nothing of this 'debt' they simply change the name on the top of the letters. They are a complete joke, I recieved a letter before christmas asking me to fill in the attached form offering payment and the letter said 'we will accept ANY payment you wish to make over however long it takes to pay off the debt'. I don't think they were too pleased when I filled it in stating I would pay £0 over 0 months and they should thing themselves grateful :grin: I just want to say to anyone who has been or is currently being pestered/annoyed/frightened or anything else by these bunch of jokers to just pay no attention. They only have 1 person working for them and he is too busy putting the junk mail into envelopes to come calling at your home.

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hi guys. thought i would give you a laff at hamptons expense. i got 2 letters from them today, both dated the same date. one asking me contact them to arrange a payment plan, the other says i haven't contacted them. threatening ccj's the usual crap. yet they also offer me the chance to close the account by paying half the balance or 40 quid a month until the balance is cleared.

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oh another thing if you call the hamptons phone number it's answered by an automatic system. the first thing it says is "thank you for calling Red!" ha ha

 

 

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OK. Whats the best way to deal with these pests?

 

 

Preferably through a medium :D

 

Alternatively, deal with them in writing and send everything by recorded delivery (they will deny receiving your letters otherwise).

 

If you must ring them, ensure you can record the call as they will use the phone as their primary tool of aggression (and I'm talking from personal experience)

 

If you could let us know what your primary aim is with dealing with the Leeds Losers, that would help.

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Hey thats my line :eek::cool::p:grin:

 

 

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :) Now that at least one person is using your line, you're famous :D and NO, I will not be paying royalties

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Hi Help needed

 

 

I have a club account with Marshall ward which i pay at 20 pound amonth, I have never been contacted about a problem with this payment, Then out the blue up come Hamptons demanding payment. I know about asking for a cca, but will this work with a club book account?

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Hi Craig, welcome to CAG.

 

Marshall Ward are a catalogue company and they offer credit (even if it may be 0% interest) so they are obliged to follow the CCA 1974 so in answer to your question, yes, you can CCA them.

 

Here is the link to the template letters page

 

The Consumer Forums - Debt collectors

 

Send Letter 8 and send it recorded delivery with a £1 postal order-no cheques-ever.

 

They have 12+2 working days to respond.

 

Once you have something to report, it would be better to start your own thread as your query will get lost in someone else's thread. If you need help doing so, just shout.

 

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Unfortunately I have found myself in a bit of debt, and receiving lots of letters, my most recent from HAMPTONS LEGAL threatening me with a CCJ, if i don't phone them from 7 days of the date of the letter, the letter was dated 6 days ago. Lowel financial sent me a letter, then Red on behalf of Lowel, and now Hamptons, again on behalf of Lowell. I tried to phone them but kept getting cut off, and don't want to do it again, as I always feel intimidated, at the way I get spoken to, which I am sure puts people off, I know i have been put well off, at being treated like a criminal. Maybe I could get some advice. Thanking you

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Hi all

The best tactic in dealing with with all this post is "RETURN TO SENDER".

That way THEY have to pay for the return postage as well.

 

Incidentally I did send one letter back marked "Adresse is now a Guest of HMP Belmarsh --please re-direct all future correspondence there where I'm sure it will be dealt with appropriately.

 

Cheers

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If you can start your own thread that way then it won't go missed amongst this previous thread, go to Debt Collection Industry then scroll all the way donw toward the bottom of the page and you'll see a blue button marked 'Post a new thread' hit that, give it a title and away you go, and you'll get a stack of advice and help.

 

But before you do, Lowell are NOTHING to be worried about by any stretch of the imagination.

Lowell/Red/Hamptons are all the same people, they just like to give themselves different names to make them feel special.

You MUST keep EVERYTHING in writing only, NEVER ring them, OR SPEAK TO THEM OVER THE PHONE, the ones that can do more than grunt, merely come out with fantasies and things that they dreamt about, whilst at the same time talking down to you like it is the worst thing in the world to owe money and be in debt.

 

Keep EVERYTHING in writing, and you'll find that they are very reluctant to use the same language in letters as they do over the phone.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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I have received a 'RED letter day' ..today..now stating that they '' have been appointed duly authorised collection agent for Lowell Portfolio Ltd and instructed to recover outstanding monies due to their client (Crap 1)...

 

A licensed 'Home Visit Agent' OR legal proceedings with a view to gaining a CCJ is in store for me...

 

I complained to the OFT last year that I did not recieve the payout on my PPI...they Crap one admitted that I had PPI but stated that I cannot claim on it due to pre-existing medical conditions...Well If I had pre-existing medical conditions..HOW did they know about it...AND if they knew about it why was I sold the PPI when they knew it was NEVER ging to be of any benefit to me fro mthe beginning...These letters are in my possession AND it is stil ongoing with OFT

 

So the letter that was sent to day by RED.(Lowell in reality)..goes to show that they have no idea what is going on!!!

 

In addition I am nearly 50 have no assets unemployed and have been for 5 yrs cannot afford to bankrupt myself

 

I have not paid anything for the last 5 YEARS because they never allowed me to calim on my PPI..I have not acknowledged the debt as it has been in dispute all this time and I think that this letter today is last chance saloon for them in view of the 'time' (Limitation Period)

 

I nevertheless fall squarely within the OFT guidelines..eg.in connection with Collection Activities

1.Unemployed..

2.missold PPI...

3 Not to be subject to the threat of legal proceedings when they have no intention of gonig to court ..

4 An ongoing investigation by the OFT into that PPI and my above circumstances.

 

Yet these idiots are continuing to fall foul of those guidelines and send this letter out.

 

I am going to complain to the OFT AGAIN and send them a copy of this letter

 

m2ae

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Lowlifes really are the back end of the DCA's, it makes you wonder if it would'nt be beneficial if the OFT actually joined CAG and read exactly how this corrupt, rotten to the core industry really operates, maybe then they would kick these fools into touch.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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