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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Your post 1043

 

Really love to know what you said/ did etc to Police about Credit Solutions

I had them giving me grief a while back before I became educated here

 

And this thread is hilarious, 10/10 and gold stars all round

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Your post 1043

Really love to know what you said/ did etc to Police about Credit Solutions

I had them giving me grief a while back before I became educated here

 

I just spoke to the police of the county they were based in & soon afterwards all their communication with me stopped.

I explained that they were doing silent phone calls etc..& the police were very sympathetic/said it wasnt acceptable etc..

Apart from that - i was a very awkward customer with them anyway & knew my rights too much/and what rights they didnt have too much ;)

They dont like people like that.

Ill never forget the woman who totally lost her rag with me on the phone from Credit Solutions & was calling me every name under the sun, i kid you not :D

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It sure does. I don't think their family trees have too many branches on them to be honest. A good party game for DCAs would be "I spy with my middle eye".

 

Fred

 

Notice on the DCA reception desk...

 

"Would visitors pease check for missing thumbs/extra toes before leaving."

 

On a DCA application form....

 

"Missing a few strands of DNA would be an advantage. Also being married to your sister and cousin would be an advantage, but full training will be given to the successful applicant."

These are video links to show how I deal with Debt Collectors.

 

Fly fishing for C.A.R.S

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zPtzK8FqE6k&feature=related

 

Frederickson International don't accept my card type

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZBULlWW6Q&feature=related

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No - ive made a difference, dont want anyone else taking any credit for this thread :p:D

 

Mr Ton, this is so true and so modestly and eloquently put.

 

I thank you.

 

Fred

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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Don't rush me MrTon lol. Not put anything on there yet lol.

 

But to keep everyone amused. Here's the funniest video I have ever seen on YouTube.........

 

YouTube - Jeff Dunham - Achmed the Dead Terrorist

 

The dead terrorist awaits you. :D

 

Sorry Fuzzybobble, I have to take issue with you there. This is the funniest video on you tube: YouTube - Bear Vs. Trampoline

 

Regards

 

Fred

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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Question for Mr Ton

 

Your post 1043

 

Really love to know what you said/ did etc to Police about Credit Solutions

I had them giving me grief a while back before I became educated here

 

And this thread is hilarious, 10/10 and gold stars all round

Nil carborindum illegitium

 

So what grief were they giving you then? :confused:

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So what grief were they giving you then? :confused:

 

Mr Ton, as you know Credit Solutions are utter sh*ts. Everybody who comes into contact with them is hurt by the experience but of course this is a double-edged sword, because it is at that moment of despair that they start looking for help and quite a few of them find this site and others like it. That's when the fightback begins and that's when people suddenly discover that the so-called 'agreements' they have are unenforceable or don't exist at all.

 

Now you would think, wouldn't you, that if you take a reasonable and conciliatory line with people that they would act accordingly? But Credit Solutions are thick. They go for the aggressive approach and look where it gets them. They will never learn and I for one would happily drive to Purley to dance on their grave if ever that opportunity presents itself. All we have to do is spread the word.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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SILENCE I keel you could always use this when cr*p pest call over my daughters (dont live here) acct

 

Precisely.

Before you criticise another man you should first walk a mile in his shoes. Then, when you criticise him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have any shoes on.

 

Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

I am not European, I am English.

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Thank you Mr Ton

 

I had probably the same mega beatch last early Autumn before I became aware!

 

She threatened me with a visit in half an hour of men with a van etc etc, at the time I was two days out of hospital after a triple by pass, however, now CAG aware,I sent them packing a while ago with a CCA letter, not heard anything from the Purley Para-Barstewards since, but IF

they reappear, I shall contact the local nick, Croydon? was it?

Thanks again

 

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Thank you Mr Ton

 

I had probably the same mega beatch last early Autumn before I became aware!

 

She threatened me with a visit in half an hour of men with a van etc etc, at the time I was two days out of hospital after a triple by pass, however, now CAG aware,I sent them packing a while ago with a CCA letter, not heard anything from the Purley Para-Barstewards since, but IF

they reappear, I shall contact the local nick, Croydon? was it?

Thanks again

 

C (vengeanced)

 

I contacted the force of the county the company were based in - cant recall which county now?

CSL are full of c**p - if you argue back with them or just threaten them back, they soon go crying to mummy :rolleyes:

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oh well glad we entertain u whilest u should be working.

OFT debt collection guidance

 

Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

Essex girl in pc world looking 4 curtains 4 her pc,the assistant says u dont need curtains 4 a computer!!Essex girl says,''HELLOOO!! i,ve got WINDOWS!!'.

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That's brilliant, roflmao

Beating the DCA's day by day

 

My fight:

NDR - CCA'd 12+2 passed

Bank of Scotland - CCA'd 12+2 passed

CFS - Win by Technical Knock-out!:lol:

HFC Bank - CCA'd 12+2 passed

Chantry Collections - CCA sent

 

Time flies like an arrow

Fruit flies like a banana :D

 

<---------- Have I given you top advice, have I made you laugh, click on the scales, it won't hurt you! :grin:

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Inspired I have drafted this letter to Corporate Financial Services.

 

Dear Mr Glover,

Having reviewed the above account I have pleasure to send you the invoice for the payments now due for dealing with this matter, totalling £299. A breakdown can be found on the back of this letter. To prevent legal action being taken it is essential that you settle this debt without delay Mr Glover.

Payment should be submitted in full to myself within 7 days from the date of this letter, failure to contact my office and confirm payment has been made will result in legal proceedings being instigated without further notice.

I would like to draw to your attention that if legal action is taken, not only may this effect any future credit applications you make elsewhere, but any legal costs incurred are usually payable by the debtor.

To make payment please send a cheque, quoting the legal case number on the back to the above address.

 

 

 

Basically their letter to me, sent back with MY charges on them.

Beating the DCA's day by day

 

My fight:

NDR - CCA'd 12+2 passed

Bank of Scotland - CCA'd 12+2 passed

CFS - Win by Technical Knock-out!:lol:

HFC Bank - CCA'd 12+2 passed

Chantry Collections - CCA sent

 

Time flies like an arrow

Fruit flies like a banana :D

 

<---------- Have I given you top advice, have I made you laugh, click on the scales, it won't hurt you! :grin:

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I forgot to mention that this letter above pertains to the company with which I had this experience last thursday:

 

I phoned a DCA (CFS in Dunfermline), now I know I shouldn't have but I did, they left me a message about the full and final settlement figure I offered. The girl who answered wasn't sure about what I was asking about, and remember at this stage I had been firm but polite. She (attempted) to put me on hold, but didn't quite manage it, and said to her supervisor "This woman is a f*****g nightmare. She is being and absolute a***hole and she now wants a copy of her signed cca, whatever that is." I heard her supervisor say "well just get her off the phone then".

 

So the young lass comes back and before she can say anything I said "Hello this is the nightmare here, can I please speak to your supervisor NOW!" She absolutely died on the phone, she said "Em yes, ok." tried to put me on hold again, failed to and I heard her say "Oh f**k she heard me!"

 

The supervisor waffled on about how it wasn't acceptable, but to be honest its the best laugh I have had all week. I am going to write to the company about the fact that I overheard her, but the lass must be mortified now! :D

Beating the DCA's day by day

 

My fight:

NDR - CCA'd 12+2 passed

Bank of Scotland - CCA'd 12+2 passed

CFS - Win by Technical Knock-out!:lol:

HFC Bank - CCA'd 12+2 passed

Chantry Collections - CCA sent

 

Time flies like an arrow

Fruit flies like a banana :D

 

<---------- Have I given you top advice, have I made you laugh, click on the scales, it won't hurt you! :grin:

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Maybe you should ring them back and invite them to read this thread if they are not already doing so like all our other buddies in the DCA threat centres up and down this fair land.

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Maybe you should ring them back and invite them to read this thread if they are not already doing so like all our other buddies in the DCA threat centres up and down this fair land.

 

You think they really are reading these threads? :o

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