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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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It would also only be undertaking it you approached the traffic in the outside lane, pulled over to the lane on your left to pass said traffic and then pulled back into your right ahead of the traffic in the outside lane.

 

If however you are in the inside lane and approach and subsequently pass traffic which is in on your right then this is not undertaking, hence why you can be in the 'slow' or middle lane on the motorway and pass traffic in the lane to your right which is moving slower than you are.

 

So in the OP case by simply staying in the left lane and passing the lane hoggers no offence would have been commited

 

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Really?

 

It's bloody dangerous if you ask me - although the rule doesn't seem to apply on the M1.

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If however you are in the inside lane and approach and subsequently pass traffic which is in on your right then this is not undertaking, hence why you can be in the 'slow' or middle lane on the motorway and pass traffic in the lane to your right which is moving slower than you are.

 

So in the OP case by simply staying in the left lane and passing the lane hoggers no offence would have been commited

 

Only in slow moving traffic.

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Only in slow moving traffic.

 

Or if the car you are undertaking has indicated to turn right

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Lots of interesting things being said about this, well just to let you know - I have not been paid a visit by the boys in blue. so far.

 

just clear a few points on this matter.

 

1. you can only overtake on the left side if the car in front is indicating to turn right.

2. the cars in front are queing in traffic and their lane is moving more slowly than yours.

3. in a 1 way street in all circumstances.

4. if the traffic on the right starts to break.

 

in my situation I was approaching from the near side lane, indicated to pull to the outside lane and left me indicator on in a jesture of I wish to pass. then indicated back to the left when a pass was not permitted, I had no intention of undertaking but I did have the intention of leaving my left indicator flashing to influence them in front to do the same.

 

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It is ONLY supposed to be 50mph on a Single Carriageway for 'White Van Man'!...;)

 

Yeah right!!! Pull the other one

 

Next thing you'll be telling me is that white van man has to follow other traffic regulations too. Maybe looking out for bikers next

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Yeah right!!! Pull the other one

 

Next thing you'll be telling me is that white van man has to follow other traffic regulations too. Maybe looking out for bikers next

 

 

Or indicating:lol:

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Yeah right!!! Pull the other one

 

Next thing you'll be telling me is that white van man has to follow other traffic regulations too. Maybe looking out for bikers next

 

Or indicating:lol:

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well im a push cylcists and a white van was at a junction other day and waited till he saw the whites of my eyes before he decieded that the 2 seconds he would save we worth me going under his wheel he seemed to actually enjoy it how i missed him ill never know inch no more not the first time though and wont be the last but as i cant drive dont have an option but to cycle if i want to get from A to B sorry if this has sidetracked this but i feel very strongly about car drivers total disregard for cyclists cos im may as well be invisible most of the time cos im not seen by a lot and invisible im not sorry for off subject carry on now rant over :oxxkia ps sorry wrong pic that xx

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ahem, for a lot of posters on here, i drive various vehicles with my job, one of which is a white van. I admit there are some ( quite a few) who are idiots basically, but please dont class us all the same. i do quite a few miles locally and some of the muppets are unbelievable. Sometimes i'm in 18 tonners, and they leave me enough room to get a dinky toy through. drivers of ALL vehicles can be piggin' stupid sometimes..

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The story at the start is the kind of "urban legend" that really p's me off

 

An urban legend is normally something that is a bit of fun and causes no harm, telling stories with no truth about rapists masquerading as policeman is not harmless fun, its sick beyond belief

 

Also since when did police cars have red lights?

 

And someone managed to get 4 police cars around that quickly i'd take my hat off to them - 1 would also be enough given the situation as any dodgy person would poo their pants and make haste as soon as they saw the blues and 2's

 

:mad:

 

In this rant I am not getting at the OP of the "myth" but we do need to be more careful about what we post and investigate such possibly damaging info before posting

 

Its right up there with the 101 supposed "dont open this email, its a virus and will melt your hard drive" posts I get to my facebook

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A lot of Urban Myths originate from across the Pond + are corrupted to suit UK conditions etc.

Didn't Starsky & Hutch + Kojak drive an unmarked police car with a RED light??

...+ when U see a car chase on TV or at the flicks, isn't there ALWAYS zillions of cop cars involved??

btw...Mr OJ didn't seem to be in a hurry to make haste, that infamous time either?!

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ahem, for a lot of posters on here, i drive various vehicles with my job, one of which is a white van. I admit there are some ( quite a few) who are idiots basically, but please dont class us all the same. i do quite a few miles locally and some of the muppets are unbelievable. Sometimes i'm in 18 tonners, and they leave me enough room to get a dinky toy through. drivers of ALL vehicles can be piggin' stupid sometimes..
i didnt mean u baz i know you drive carefully just some who spoil it :(xxkia
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