Don't ignore. POPLA may be a joke but this is a new procedure backed by DVLA, BPA and legislation, weak and useless legislation but non the less. More ppcs are trying their luck with N1 forms at present. Follow protocol, appeal to PPC then to POPLA, Then send a cease and desist letter threatening charges for any direct or third party letters. It's court or nothing. Now ignore. In the unlikely event of a court hearing, you have done your bit and it will show favour. But once again, court is extremely unlikely

Ignore is not good advice. It makes you look bad in the unlikely event of going to court and it leaves you open to a string of harrassing letters from PPC, Debt Collectors and Rogue Solicitors. Follow the POPLA route then when or if that fails, send a cease and desist letter and tell them you want it in court. Take control of the situation, or as much as you can at least.

The best way to handle a PCN at the moment is in 3 steps. Step 1. Appeal to PPC (you will not win). Step 2 Appeal to POPLA (thier decisions are still being tested so to early to say, but let's assume you lose again) Step 3 Send a CEASE & DESIST letter to PPC instructing them to seek damages through the courts. Also inform them thay further letters from them will be charged for at, let's say £20. By doing the 3 steps, you have followed reasonable protocol and a court will more lily to be on your side.

The Robin Hood of London. Dig deep fella.

In that case it doesn't matter what the ticket and signs say either. To appeal to POPLA would give instant cancellation.

If you phone NCP to pay the charge, you will find that they refer to it as a 'penalty notice' in the automated options

TCP in Harlow have the old TCP signs but have scratched put the word LTD. How does that make it legal, what a bunch of idiots

A creditor is a person or company who are LEGITIMATELY owed money. A credit licence is for trading in cash to put it simply

If PPC's were the 7 dwarfs. G24 would be Dopey

Since my last message I have found out that complaints to POPLA go to Nick Lester who is on the board of the BPA. This is turning into an avalanche of bad publicity for POPLA. ant wait to read the glaring errors in the next appeal rejection, otherwise known as Shonai(sms).

Going to POPLA is actually going to kill any credibility they think they have. Their assessments so far are inaccurate, embarrassing, unprofessional and a complete joke, but it makes for a good read. My turn soon.

The fact that terms and conditions were displayed does not mean that those terms and conditions satisfy the law. It seems as though the BPA, the PPC's and POPLA, the family of muskateers have decided to ditch terms such as tresspass and pre-estimate of loss in favour of the word CHARGE. If you enter into an unfair contract, it does not mean it is binding, in fact, far from it. I guess the meeting between POPLA and the BPA sorted that denial together. I have only read two submissions from POPLA and already they have shown that they are 'The Puppet People'. Ignoring POPLA would not have helped but playing along has shown us all what we already heavily suspected. I have an appeal in with POPLA due to be decided by March 3rd. its based on a 10 minute grace period. I was there for 8 minutes. First time stamped pic 11.30 ticket 11.38. It's a no brainer really but PPC must have a plan. If I lose this which I suspect I will judging by form, then POPLA is sunk and left with zero credibility.

My challenge is different. Entered car park, bad signage. Looked for parking conditions, rejected them and left with an invoice on the car. I claim I was there for 8 minutes which is within their 10 minute grace period, time stamped pics at 11.30am and ticket timed 11.38 am. They somehow claim I was there at 11.27. I am using Thier own hardcopy evidence against them. Sounds like a no brainer but let's see what happens. Expect decision by end of the month.

Can't argue with you on your points, especially after my phonecall to POPLA today. I got my appeal in on the first day of the 28 day allowance on Dec 14. I asked how long the PPC has to respond to POPLA once they are notified, I would assume that being a balanced appeal system, it would also be 28 days. (balanced is a tongue in cheek remark). The woman put me on hold while she checked the procedures and came back with the following reply. RING THE BPA FOR ADVICE. I did make a previous call to POPLA in late December with the same query and was told that I send in my appeal to POPLA and they send my evidence and statements off to the PPC who then has the opportunity to tailor their responses to my appeal. And he said that no time limit was set for the PPC to respond. Now whichever response you wish to believe, I just keep thinking I will wake up soon and realise it was just one of those weird dreams. But unfortunately.......

I will be chasing CPP to get thier evidence presented. I am so desperate for a decision because if I lose then POPLA are puppets, and if I win then the BPA needs a change in policy

A thought.... If POPLA rejects and a Court accepts.... Where does that leave POPLA credibility. This is going to be intresting

Yes I'm fully aware, but thanks. As you say, its time for POPLA to show its hand and I am champing at the bit to get stuck in if they show themselves to be puppets

The charge is actually £100 as actual losses but they did offer to cost themselves a whole £60 in losses to help me out and I pay £40. Strange how they chase so hard to lose £60. Anyway! Hopefully by the end of January. I will be able to report back with either POPLA - Fair play or POPLA - The puppet people. What's your guess

Demands for cash will have to go to the courts. My main interest is in exposing POPLA either as truly independent and follows all statute and contract law, including the unfair contract terms 1997. Or as you say, just a facade for the government/DVLA and a puppet for the BPA. I expect to win, otherwise a lot of people and institutions will become involved. I don't take on fights I can't win. This one will be a walk in the park.

Appealed against Car Parking Partnership to. POPLA. CPP say I was there for 11 minutes and I say I was there for 8 minutes. Thier evidence, time stamped photos and ticket time adds up to 8 minutes. Grace period is apparently 10 minutes. To you and me, this sounds like an open and shut case, but POPLA is funded ny the BPA, so let's see how independent they really are. If independent, I win hands down, if a BPA puppet then we proceed on to court. Will keep you all informed. Wil also inform the DVLA, Norman Baker, OFT, Watchdog, Plain Language Commissioocal MP and many more. Merry Xmas to you all

That falls well within a grace period for deciding if u want to enter into a contract or not by reading the T&C's. They must follow the code, he says tongue in cheek. Best if they actually read it

What time elapsed between your vehicle being spotted and ticketed. See section 13 of BPA CoP, grace periods

I believe you will find that the charge or should we say, damages, are £100. So in theory, you have actually cost them £100 but they are prepared to lose £40 and only charge you the £60. Then suddenly the £40 discount becomes an admin charge for Sending you one more letter. I would love to hear that explained in court.

Another question.... The BPA and government require the PPC to pay £27 for the POPLA appeal. If the driver/RK decide not to pay if the appeal goes them. Can the PPC claim back the £27.

They are absolutely right with their calculation. That are using the BPA calclus system. 90k = 49-25=24.