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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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Yep every other piece of credit I have is fully up to date and showing no flags.

 

I am sure it is provident causing the damage to the score, as I said I havnt picked up on this for a year roughly now, so for 12 months each month my payments have been reported as late and showing a big fat £0 payment made also, and of course every month thats gone by some of those payments esp the ones just after the arrangment was setup have been getting later and later, some of them are showing as 8-9-10-11 months overdue now because of this error.

 

its not just a case of missing a single payment, my record is showing as if I hadnt paid a thing to this loan, with multiple late payments, some dragging back months and months. It must be that thats tanking the score. I have looked into this thats how I noticed the error with provident in the first place.

 

Just awaiting replies now im hopeful as ive also sent evidence to equifax and experian showing the payments have been made without fail of the £80 monthly, if they say that isnt enough Ill get hold of printed copies of the account statements and send them off by snail mail.

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Just an update to this, after refusing to drop it and going on and on at satsuma, even threatening further action after they `again` refused my request to change the info via experian and equifax`s dispute system I finally today received a reply containing the following:

 

` I have reviewed the information we have shared with the Credit Reference Agencies. I am aware your credit file has not been updated to reflect your payment arrangement and we have reported your account as in sustained arrears with no arrangement. I would like to apologise for this error and any distress and inconvenience we may have caused you.`

 

They're updating the credit reference agencies and they even offered me a token £30 compensation.

 

I do have the option to take it further with the Financial Ombudsman Service as long as I do so within 6 months of the email.

 

To be honest im tempted to,

yes I appreciate my file will now be being updated with the correct info but you know what? these guys have really made it hard to sort this out, this has been going on for ages now and they've even multiple times refused to update the info when ive put requests in via experian and equifax,

 

not to mention the small fact that if I hadnt noticed my credit file with them would have been displaying this harmful and totally inaccurate info with no challenge,

 

not to mention the fact that due to their incompetence this has been sat on my file eating away at my credit rating every month that passed with another missed payment flag for a year or so now.

 

is £30 enough,

you know ive tried to get credit that would have sorted my affairs out a few times this year and ive been turned down and I cant help but feel if it wasnt for this one file dragging my score down I may not have been unsuccesful.

 

Im tempted to push for them to write off the rest of the debt entirely or I take it to the ombudsman, I feel thats the least they could do considering theyve had me spend so much time to correct an obvious mistake and their mistake has had such an impact on my credit rating for over a year.

 

what would the advice be here? should I threaten to take it further and see what they offer me?

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make them properly default it from the right date

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Im determined to get them to at the very least write off the rest of the debt, they have not only trashed my credit rating for an entire year, but they have 3 times refused to alter the information when requested, the first time I noticed this was back in october 2017 when the first complaint was made and rejected, it took 3 further complaints being rejected, and finally me threatening to take legal action to get them to admit they cocked my file up on this.

 

a years worth of missed payment flags and arrears wrongly? multiple times complaints rejected wrongly? yeah thats worth more then a token £30 to me!

 

Of course the wrong data being present on the file and the consequences for me in terms of my credit rating have annoyed me.....but whats really annoyed me is the fact it took right up to a threat of legal action for them to admit they were in the wrong, even to the point of them activly refusing to change the data claiming it was accurate when requested change through credit ref agencies dispute systems.

 

An honest mistake is an honest mistake. But then lying and accusing me of being in the wrong when I knew I wasnt? Thats unacceptable. im going to the ombudsman I think, gonna see what more I can get out of this in terms of compensation.

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30 quid, because they know it could potentially be hundreds or more if the ombudsman finds against them. But they know not many people know that.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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