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Hi.

 

Need some serious advice and help here.

 

Closed my business down March this year. I was liable for business rates from sep 13 to march 14. Totaling about £3600. I closed the business as we were not doing too well and struggling to make the rent money let alone bills. (we had been trading for 3 years but moved to a bigger location - more rent and now business rates etc).

 

I was aware of the business rates of course but with the other bills piling up of course the business rates bill went on the pile.

 

It is now 6 months later and I am now receiving letters form the local council. At forst they said I owed £9000 but they were unaware I had moved out in March and were charging me for the year 2014/15 as well..

 

I also got a court summons in the post, it was due 1st October 2014, I called them and explained I have only just received their letters (they were locked in the old business premises) and they have now took back the court summons and will no longer have to go) (for now).

 

I have emailed them to say that I am unable to pay the £3600 (year sep13/march14). As I am only surviving off the remaining stock I had form the business selling online. Spoke to one lady and she said if you can pay £600 a month until the end of the financial year then that will be OK. I said I cannot even afford this, more like £50 a month.

 

They said they will have to issue another court summons and a liability order to get this money back, but I said why would they take it to court if I am on the phone looking to set up a payment.

 

I am eager to get back in business, and any other money going out right now is going to seriously cripple my chances, I need as much money as I can to get me back into business.

 

What can I do about this? Is there anyway i can loophole around paying the business rates? Is there anyway I can get them significantly reduced?

 

Look forward to your replies.

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I have been dogged by old business rates!. First are you sure the rate is right? Have you checked the value at voa.gov.uk ? Valuation Office Agency. You may also be able to claim small business rates relief. Then have you been awarded the three month exemption for empty property? Once you have done all that and the bill is actually (and sadly) correct then don't fear the summons so much.

I was scared out of hell, got all dressed up, got my defence ready etc and went only to find that I was one of 320 summons that day and that time! Only about 20 people turned up, but this was a mix of all rates and council tax summons. Each was called into an ante chamber and given stern words, so be ready with your facts and your case and how much you can pay etc.

Only 2 people out of the whole lot ever went before the judge, one because they wanted to and were doing the illegal council tax argument and another that apparently was the wrong person and the council wouldn't let them go. I stayed to watch and learn lol.

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The women on the phone (local council office) said that a liability order would not harm my credit rating (something that I have lost faith in now - it's pretty low). But just can't be doing with this extra stress of all this, I'm trying to rebuild in business and this is just another snowball in the face!

 

I have been given an email address for the valuation office (which i am going to email soon).

 

What 'stern word' were you given?

 

I really can't afford even £50 a month right now. What is a likely outcome for this?

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Don't email the valuation office, have a look at their website you can search your property yourself, it's quite straight forward, that way you can see straight away. Were you actually in the property till March then or did you get the 3 month exemption for being empty?

 

The stern words, well, she was rude, abrupt and rather nasty, asking lots of questions about my financial status etc. I was a bit taken aback and then anger set in lol. I put my pages of defence on the table and calmly suggested she read it before assuming I was just another time waster. Then she went outside and called in another lady in smart dark solicitor clothes who apparently was the council's solicitor lol and all the menials that were terrorising the poor people like me reported back to her after every discussion.

 

I have no idea what outcome you might get, but if you get summoned do go and stay calm and have your facts with you of how much you can pay.

 

Just thought to add that if the council people pre-hearing don't want to accept your payment offer then demand to go into the hearing and get heard by the judge who may take a different view and accept your offer :)

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