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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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12.Accordingly the Claimant claims:

i. The return of the amounts debited in respect of charges in the sum of £1892.00 as set out on the attached list of charges.

ii. Court costs (court fee of £120.00, Allocation Questionnaire fee of £100.00).

iii. interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from 21 Mar 2005 to 15 Sept 2006 of £XXX (8% interest figure)as set out on the attached list of charge,and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of 0.42p

I hope you don't mind me butting into your thread, chica. I'm at the same stage as you.

 

Michael - Where does the "...daily rate of 0.42p" come from? Why have you only suggested claiming the 8% interest up to 15th Sept 2006?

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Michael - Where does the "...daily rate of 0.42p" come from? Why have you only suggested claiming the 8% interest up to 15th Sept 2006?

Daily rate is just your charges X 0.00022

ie £1892 x 0.00022= £0.42p

The dates are Chica's not mine. 15th Sept is presumably when she originally filed the claim.

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Well I've handed in my witness statement and as of 12.00pm, Abbey hadn't filed theirs!!! I realise they have until 4.00pm but what are the chances of them submitting it before then!!!!

What happens next if they don't submitt??

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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I have phoned the court today and Abbey still haven't handed in their witness statement!!! Have I won????!!!!

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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Is there a template letter I could use to write to the Judge asking him to strike out the defence. I've still heard nothing from Abbey or the courts??

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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Thanks for that Karnevil, but its not needed anymore!!!!

I recieved a letter from Abbey yesterday.

It says:

In view of the amount that you are claiming and the legal costs that Abbey National plc (Abbey) would incur in arranging defence and representation at the Court, the decision has been made that, in this instance, your claim will be settled in full.

 

Payment will include bank charges and interest totalling £2000.25, continuing interest totalling £43.54 and court fees of £220. This gives a total settlement amount of £2263.79. Abbey is raising a cheque for this amount, which will be paid into your account (if open) or posted to you. Please would you confirm receipt of the funds by signing and returning the additional copy of this letter.

 

This payment of £2263.79 represents full and final settlement of your claim. It is on a 'without prejudice' basis and is entirely without any admission of legal liability by Abbey.

We have written to the court to inform them that the case is being settled in full and asking them to withdraw the Preliminary Hearing from the court list. Once payment has been made we would be grateful if you would inform the Court that you have withdrawn the claim.

 

Yours faithfully,

Abbey National plc

 

 

(I have to sign this statement)

I, XXXX, have recieved the sum of £2263.79 in full and final settlement of my Claim against Abbey National plc, 6QZ66186, and confirm that I will write to the court and withdraw the claim.

Dated and signed by ME!

 

 

 

SO TO CONCLUDE WE HAVE BEATEN THE B***ERS AGAIN!!!!

 

Can I request that it is sent by cheque even though my account is still open with them?

 

Thanks everyone for your help. Donation on its way when I get the cash!!

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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Congrats Chica!!!!:D Good news indeed!.....hope it's Noob next!

 

About the cheque, I think that you can request it to be sent to yourself, it's your money afterall.....but then I'm not 100% on that.

 

Well done hun;)

 

Wxxx

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Ooops. I 've already signed the statement and sent it back!!! I'll have to wait and see!!

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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Chica - so have I - I thought that it might speed things up if it were returned straight away - hope that the above isn't the case - still waiting for my cheque (no account with Abbey anymore) - settled last Wednesday.

 

Many Congratulations by the way - Jackie :D

Abbey: Settled - now for no. 2

Dudley Building Society : claim dismissed - no costs

London Scottish: settled in full :oops:

Capital One - settled in full :p

 

"Energy and persistence conquer all things" Benjamin Franklin

 

Any advice, information and thoughts given by me are just my humble opinion

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:grin: Well, no cheque had been recieved by Friday 19th so I called the number at the top of the letter I recieved and asked them where my cheque was and I was told it would get sent out that day. Sat morning a nice big fat juicy cheque for 2263.79 landed on the door mat!!!! I ran to the bank and deposited it!!!! THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!

On now to the reminder of Abbeys charges 15th Sept onwards!!!

HAHA

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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You do not know how happy that makes me feel to see this thread called Chica v's Abbey -WON!!!

Thanks

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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Just had a read through this whole thread as I'm thinking of starting the ball rolling to claim back my charges from the last 6 years.

 

Quality reading I must say. I've now just opened an account with Natwest so I can transfer everything over to that before I write to Abbey and they take my overdraft facility away!

 

Good stuff Chica

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I hope you do well Elky.

One thing I would say is to sign your witness statement when it gets to court time!!! I didn't and the judge rejected it but Abbey payed up anyway!!!

Bank charges: Abbey won in 2006, Halifax won in 2006, Capital One won in 2006.

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well done Chica its a lovely feeling, my cheque cleared today so I'm off having loads of fun with it

Abbey £4340.59 *WON* Jan 07

 

Abbey II MCOL 31/03/07 £8800.00

 

Please note..I AM NOT AN EXPERT ANYTHING WHAT I POST IS PURELY MY OPINION AND MAY BE WRONG IT IS JUST BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OR EXPERIENCE

 

Read my latest claim its a fast track potentially

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/abbey-bank/61406-noobrider-abbey-take-2-a.html?highlight=noobrider

 

read my first claim which includes attending a directions hearing in court

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/abbey-bank/10576-noobrider-abbey.html?highlight=noobrider

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