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    • Hi there, Here is the sticky filled out as best as possible:  Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. 1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260   Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No   Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
    • Before you do any of the above – Stop! You need to spend a few days reading up on the stories on this sub- forum so that you understand the principles and you understand how to go about making your claim. We will help you – and you have a better than 95% chance of getting your money back – but you need to be in control of what you are doing. We will help you – but this is a self-help forum and you need to have done the reading so that you are confident of each step and you know your way forward. Please don't do anything at all – in particular don't send a letter of claim – until you have done all the reading and I would suggest that probably you will start drafting your letter of claim over the weekend. Also, you haven't told us anything about what has happened. We don't know dates, items dispatched, value, whether they were properly declared, whether you bought so-called insurance, you have been declined reimbursement but we don't know why. If you want us to help you then you will have to give us this basic information. Also the fact that you are an eBay trader makes this slightly more complicated although it doesn't at all affect your chances of success.  Read the other threads on this sub- forum – and especially the pinned threads at the top in order to understand the principles. You also quickly understand the kind of help that we will give you and you will understand some of the draft documents which have been used in other successful claims.
    • Thanks, I'm finishing up the skeleton and hope to have it done today. Will look at statement of case too and get that done over the next few days.
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I got this years award notice on 13th August and phoned straight away because it was obviously wrong as payments ended on 31st because my daughter was no longer a child. On the phone I asked why they thought this and after a long pause to read the records was told it was because I hadn't returned the form saying she was going to college. At that point I hadn't mentioned college, presuming they would have had the form which I returned months ago, so how did they know she was staying in education? I was told a revised notice would be sent out.

 

I haven't yet received the revised notice, but according to the award notice I have I should have had one payment on xxth August and another on the xxth, and I've had neither and I can't get through on the phone!

 

On top of all that I'm repaying an overpayment from 2004. I went to CAB with the 11 award notices I received that year and even they couldn't work out if the award was correct, but my appeal failed as supposedly I should have known it was wrong. Initally they suspended repayments because I was on income support, but they now want to take nearly £20 a week off me. When I also queried that on the phone I was told I had to pay it and it couldn't be reduced. Last year I got £44 a week, which just about covers the food bill - the only place for any flexibility in the budget - so if they take £20 a week off me we basically won't be able to eat unless my daughter buys the food with her £30 a week EMA, and then she won't be able to pay her fares to get to college! Are they really allowed to take half your payment?

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I finally managed to get through at five past eight this morning after trying on and off all day yesterday.

 

After a huge rigmarole which involved me giving all of my bank details over the phone (or they wouldn't tell me anything!) tax credits say my bank refused the payments, so it's not their fault! They are putting the payments through again but it will take 10 working days!

 

I can't think of a single reason why a bank would refuse to accept a payment if the account details etc are correct, so I have doubts about the accuracy of this information, and why would it take 10 days to make a payment?

 

If anyone can shed any light on this - i.e. come up with a good reason, or any sort of reason, for a bank to refuse to accept a payment - I would love to hear it. Also is there anyone I can complain to about this?

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I think there are some accounts that can't accept external credits - you haven't changed the account number recently have you?

 

Good luck with them anyway.

 

They screwed mine up good and proper and after half a year with no payments - and having no notice that I'd lose £500 a month, and then three weeks of phone calls to find out why I had stopped receiving money (they said they'd overpaid me already) - it took me 10 weeks to get payments again once the new tax year started. They're still doing it by giro now.

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Hadn't thought of that one, but the account is exactly the same one that they've been paying in to for at least the last 4 years.

 

Maybe if they don't sort it out quickly I should go to the DWP and ask for my income support to be increased because I'm not getting tax credits any more, so don't get the minimum income any more. I don't suppose they would pay extra, but if you don't ask ...

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If that's the case then I agree with you, I can't see why it would be refused.

 

But, if iIcould just butt in about my problems with them again... apparently they can't use the account they'd been using for me for three years either. Apparently, something to do with because the payments had been stoped, reinstating them onto the automated payment system is, it seems, impossible. You could demand a giro be sent to cash at the Post Office (though they will tell you they don't do that anymore.)

 

As for the DWP - you could, but do try your local Tax Office if you can. I was told they can make discretionary payments if they believe you are entitled to money you are not receiving - take your latest award notice down there. I couldn't do that as apparently there is also a problem with printing out and issuing my notices.

 

I also got an appointment at the CAB for a couple of days after I actually got my first payment from them - it took about three weeks to get the appointment, but I thought it was worth waiting for at the time. They can help as they have some more direct numbers than the general public can get their hands on.

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I've been having a search around for how to complain, and it's the same as for any tax office - speak to the office, then complain to the manager if you're still not happy, so I think I might do that, but after I get my money! They can pay costs and compensation if it's bad enough, and your case certainly sounds as if it should qualify pinkmoomin.

 

I'm getting the distinct impression that errors are perhaps being covered up by 'misdirection', both over the original incorrect notice and the payments suddenly stopping, by coincidence at exactly the same time. Would an S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request be likely to provide any proof that they did get the form I sent originally and payments have not been made for some other reason? Any suggestions as to how it should be worded if it might work? I imagine all the info is kept on computer and is obviously accessible from my NI number so identifiable as related to me.

 

I'm also pretty sure that they're not allowed to take £20 a week off someone on income support to repay overpayments, especially as they then weren't going to pay me any more tax credits. Where do they think I'm going to get the money from?

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Oh, I spent HOURS searching for info on how to complain! It simply can't be done to the Tax Credit Office without phoning the only number - or writing to them and about a fortnight later getting a standard response asking you to wait a month for a response!

 

But, I may have needed to make it clearer about visiting the office - try your local ordinary tax office - not Tax Credits office. It doesn't always work, but you can ask to speak to someone regards non-payment of Tax Credit and possibly qualify for an interim payment as long as you have an award notice to refer to. You do have one with valid dates on....

 

And I wouldn't rely on compensation for hardship after the event either. I didn't get any after losing out on 6 months of payments due to their errors (therefore leaving myself with virtually nothing after childcare bills and making sure my daughter was fed properly) followed by 10 weeks of non-payment of what they kept saying I was due, and after I had told creditors I'd be back to normal at start of the new tax year... you get the idea!

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I had to phone my bank about something else today so asked about what Tax Credits said.

 

Very helpful young lady said she didn't know of any reason why a credit to an account would be refused, and if for some reason it had been, it would show up on their records - and guess what? - nothing! The only suggestion she could come up with was that tax credits quoted the wrong account details.

 

I have another suggestion. Because they thought my claim was ending, the last two payments due should have been made manually, and they forgot.

 

I would love to know what's actually on their records about this, just to prove myself (and my bank) right.

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That's interesting, isn't it. I wish I could offer more help other than saying you have to be a pain in the arse and persist with them.

 

I actually just remebered, reading that, something that happened in April after my first two weeks' payments for this year were missed. I also had to ring the bank as money hadn't arrived after it should have cleared and TCO said it had been sent. The lady at the bank very helpfully went away and checked the clearing account (money goes into a central 'pot' each day and is then dispersed to the individuals' accounts) and nothing.

 

I think I had two, maybe three more phone calls to TCO before someone figured my details were on my account correctly but not being passed onto the automated payment scedule.

 

My payments had been stopped and 'restarted', as yours were. I do wonder if your account has suffered the same fate after it was manually restarted and it's now got itself jammed.

 

I'm an IT professional - I can't imagine how they've let so many obvious flaw(s) remain in their system - I have waited 5 months since the new payment year started and my account is still not correct as I am still receiving monthly giro payments. It's not been able to generate award notices for over a year. Last September whn I first got cut off they were essentially closed for a fortnight while I phoned everyday to find out where my cash was, while they were having system updates. As far as I can see, they broke the system even more!

 

Who knows how many other people have suffered similar problems and didn't have the persistence/telehone access to be as much of a perst as I was about it!?

 

Phone every day, and demand to speak to the supervisor. Try and pick a time you think won't be a peak time, such as, maybe 10.00am - a large proportion of claimants will be at work at this time and you won't spend ages on hold - you may even be lucky enough for a supervisor not to have to be taking calls themselves since it's so busy (:rolleyes: )

 

Write, wait for the standard response and then write back immediately saying you are not prepared to wait for 4 weeks (or the current quoted time) for a response and spell out exactly what hardship this is giving you.

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Update.

After speaking to my bank, I sent off a formal complaint to tax credits, and should expect a reply by 16th October apparently.

In the meantime I've had another award notice giving different amounts, but still saying my daughter is no longer a child! The money has now been paid into my account (two weeks late!) but I'm furious that they still haven't got my award right. I'm sure they will do eventually, and I'll then get all the back pay, but that doesn't pay the bills in the meantime! I feel another irate phone call coming on!

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Hello Reallymad

I know why your payment isn't going into your account, it was an error I have seen many times and am shocked that nobody has corrected it there and then for you, (I suppose I'm being stupid to think the advisor know what to do).. Firstly you need to find out a couple of things.

1. What date is input on the start date of your childs further education and did you inform them before this date had elasped? If the start date is correct and it shoud be 01-09-2007 for the system to allow further education run on, anything different won't be recognised. If this date 01-09-2007 is inplace on the system and you told them before 01-09-2007, then the system still won't recognise it because it can not calculate future dates. It needs to be input again. So when you phone tax credits and the advisor says yes the start date for further education is 01-09-2007 and is on the system, tell them to take the date out and re-input the same date 01-09-2007 again. It should then be able to calc a new award from that date. Tax Credit computer cannot deal with future dates only dates that have passed.

With regards to the bank and not accepting the payment sent, Bulshh! That would never happen, it was never sent. But it bemused me over the years how advisors thought they had updated the system correctly. These people had started work with me and should have been really on the same level of knowledge as me, knowing about the system. On the section were your bank details are held there is a start date box at the bottom of the page. I don't know how many times I came across advisors inputing todays date into it to satrt payments back into accounts. This box was there and would be updated with that days date automatically, if the details had been input correctly. Never once did I type the date into this box, the computer automatically done it for you. But also there could be underlying probs as to why it doesn't auto fill the start date. If I came across this then it meant that there was a verification failure against your NI number, which had to be cleared first before any updates were accepted by the system. A verification failure (something not correct) can be caused for practically everything and any change you may make. So with regards to your childs change of circs, you may have told them the actual date school started (say for instance) 4th Sept, this would create a failure because your claim for CTC ended 31st Aug (Last day over 16's entitled) If the start date is 3 days after this date 31st Aug it can't work it out. It must be the day after the end of entitlement to understand this claim is to carry on.

Please let me know if you get any further.

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I had a huge tax credits overpayment last year. Whoever took my details down over the phone missed out a decimal place when entering my salary and I had two huge payments go into my account. I rung straightaway to say "Take them back" but they refused to let me send them money straightaway, saying that someone would be in touch about "collection". The money still sits on my tax credit award notice as "overpayment to be collected".

 

I am currently looking into the rules about overpayments where it is the fault of the tax credits office.

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Well that was really nice of them wasn't it. They just love to mess it up. Proving your innocence is the hard part. They will deny any wrong doing and say it was you who told them you earn 200.00 per year and not 20000.00. Hello Hello Hello Tax Credits, do you have chimpanzies answering the helpline phone. Who in the right mind would work all year for 200.00 !!!!! If you had of told them this I am sure the advisor dealing with your call would question this amount there and then, but I don't suppose a chimp would know who earns what. Dispute this to the hilt. What stage are you at now? Do you still have the money or has it been spent on wicked and wild things?

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I have now received a corrected award notice and am waiting for the first payment. Also still waiting for a reply to my complaint, but it's only been a couple of weeks so far!

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Hi Mad

When should payment be in your account? if its not in by the weekend there is still a fault, but hey lets not be pesamistic afterall HMRC said so. lol..

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  • 2 weeks later...

I've received a reply to my complaint.

 

As a reminder I was told that they had tried to make a payment and my bank had refused it. I have not changed my account in any way.

 

Their latest explanation 'this was due to our system detecting a problem with the account details we held and the payments being suspended'.

 

They are also sending me a cheque for £30 compensation.

 

Someone somewhere is obviously telling porkies but I can't decide if it's worth pursuing further. Thoughts anyone?

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Has CTC payment gone into your account yet?? Take no notice that the system detected a fault with your details. Check out some of the stories currently being written and posted about Fraud & Tax Credits on this website.

www.taxcreditoverpayment.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

I would take it as far as possible.

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Cheque for £30 arrived this morning. I have decided to leave it at that because I'm busy chasing banks at the moment, but heaven help them if they mess up again.

 

Thanks for all the advice/help.

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