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    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
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    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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right got another letter in from robison way today. since i cant scan i've tried just using a photo of the letter. it basically says that my wife has made a payment to hfc instead of robinson way..........this is not true, she has always paid robinson way using their giro slips. it also states that they have written to advise that they have purchased the account.........again not true. my wife cant recall any letter stating that.

 

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This company is so poor at what they do and a lot of the time haven't got a clue as to what account is which.

 

Keep all correspondence and report them to TS after the criminal offence has been commited.

The words arse and elbow spring to mind

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right another letter arrived today this time saying thankyou for your payment. the last payment my wife made to them was on 25/7/07 for £10, that payment was an additional payment to that month as she normally pays at the beginning of each month. there was a payment due on the 5/8/07 but as we had received our p.o back on the 4/8/07 we decided not to make that payment as we figured that meant they did not have the agreement and probably wouldn't come up with it either. have we made a mistake in not paying it, should we make a payment to them?

 

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DMD - The picture I had of you in my head now stands complete!:grin:

 

Don't you ever dare leave us again.;-)

 

Keep up the good work.

 

Ooohhhhh..!!??!!?! You've obviously not seen me pictured on my good side then...?

 

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Note to self... Cheeky Vimto makes Dave jolly!! :D

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Clearing the streets of undesirables is hard work. Well, it's a new day, so let's be careful out there today guys!:p

 

And DMD - if I knew how to upload anything i would send to you a neat case of your sneaky vimto!! (if they sold it in cases that is!!:wink: )

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Clearing the streets of undesirables is hard work. Well, it's a new day, so let's be careful out there today guys!:p

 

(if they sold it in cases that is!!:wink: )

Yes Lets do it to them before they do it to us

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another letter arrived from robinson way today. it starts "in response to your recent correspondence"..................dont know what correspondence their on about, the only thing we sent was the cca request. the 12 day limit is just about up and still no agreement received from either robinson way or bcw, we know we can stop paying them after the 12 days but what else can we do? are we entitled to try and get the money we've paid them back?

 

this is the letter that arrived today.

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Jimmy, STOP panicking.

IF your agreement turns up AND is enforceable then we'll attack that.

Until then RELAX !!!

I'm serious, take a step back and BREATH.

This is Robberscum noWay we are talking about. They wouldnt know an agreement if they tripped over it at Monkeycentral:D
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I wouldn't muck about with these eejits anymore, next news is they'll be claiming equittable assignee only. CCA HFC Bank directly and see what they turn up...

HFC Bank Limited,

Complaints/Compliance Manager,

North Street,

Winkfield,

Berkshire SL4 4TD.

 

Retail credit thru HFC Bank would most certainly entail a credit agreement IMHO...

 

I put my CAG email address on my letter to them and they wrote back the same week!! :lol:

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could you go into a bit more meaning behind your reasoning to cca hfc directly DMD, should we just do what we have been doing and continue to ignore the dca's as they still have not issued us with any agreements.

 

thanks for all the help so far, much appreciated.

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HFC Bank are the original creditor, if there is or was an agreement they'll tell you straight. Whatever HFC send you or tell you can be used to your advantage over Rob/Way.

 

For example, you CCA HFC Bank and they come back and say they can no longer supply the original agreement....... You now know that there was an agreement and Rob/Way are telling porkies..... It's more about peace of mind and back-up, and for what? A quid + postage!

 

If HFC Bank do come back and say there was never an agreement, which I can't see, what's lost? As they'll probably send the quid back...

 

If they send an agreement who says you have to tell you know who, who're insisting that there isn't one...? ;)

 

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thanks for making that clear DMD. we will send a cca request to HFC. we were wondering however would HFC not start to seek any debt owed or is that not possible now that robinson way are involved?

 

how do we cca HFC, we dont have any reference or anything so how will they know what we're wanting a cca for, and what happens if HFC do send us a copy of the original agreement........what do we do with it?

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