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I'm reclaiming charges on the other halfs account, the 40 days where up so I sent another letter threatning to report them to the information commisioner, 7 days are up for that tomorrow, what do i do now? do I just make up a random number and start court proceedings?

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Sometimes a phonecall can chase them up. Failing that you can file at court, which you have already informed them if you sent the non compliance letter.

 

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Got my date today :) 25th May, so only 3 weeks before I have my money, can't complain, even better was they transfered it to my local court which is a 5 min walk :) Oddly didn't get one of them questionaires

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Got my date today :) 25th May, so only 3 weeks before I have my money, can't complain, even better was they transfered it to my local court which is a 5 min walk :) Oddly didn't get one of them questionaires

 

That seems quick! Have you prepared your court bundle ... when do you have to send it by?

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That seems quick! Have you prepared your court bundle ... when do you have to send it by?

 

I've prepared nothing :confused: Unless theres another letter to come, All I got was a letter from the court in Londonderry saying my hearing will be at 14.30 on 25th May 2007 and to contact them if there is any problems.

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So did I - although I have prepared a bundle to send to the solicitors and court - just to prove I am serious! I am just hoping that I get a cheque in the post soon.

 

If you look at my post in Northern Ireland, mainland banks section of Penalty Charges UK - Fighting your Corner for FREE - Iamo gave me direction in what to do next.

 

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So did I - although I have prepared a bundle to send to the solicitors and court - just to prove I am serious! I am just hoping that I get a cheque in the post soon.

 

If you look at my post in Northern Ireland, mainland banks section of Penalty Charges UK - Fighting your Corner for FREE - Iamo gave me direction in what to do next.

 

Sarah

 

Thanks for that, I'm actually looking forward to this now:D It would be handy though if they pay up before court

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This looks very very promising here. I phoned Wragg & Co, Just to enquire if they got my list of charges I sent, as you know what these people are like. She said have Alliance & Leicester not been in touch? No I said, She said oh right, I'll get someone to ring you back.

 

Hopefully they have settled :) :)

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Jumped the gun a bit to soon, They never phoned back so I phoned A+L to see what was up, they looked through the case and said we made you an offer and it was declined so its going to court nowangry-smiley-030.gif

 

Ah well

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Well the guy phoned back, he was a senior partner of Wragge and Co, he went over the speil of the charges being justified etc, got no where.

 

So court here I come.

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I got a letter this morning from FrancisHanna and Co a local solicitor, it says they have taken over from Wragge & Co,

 

This looks like they really are going to court:mad:

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What do I do? Has this happened to anyone else? I thought it wasn't supposed to go this far but it looks like I am going to have to go to court to battle it out with a smooth talking solicitor who does this for a living.

 

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Well had a phonecall from this local solicitor, He was curious to know if I will be defending myself, and if I will have any witnesses present.

 

These *******s are planning something. I know other in Northern Ireland dealing with A&L and they haven't got there case transfered to this local solicitor yet and they are in court before me.

 

Anyone any ideas?

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I f it was me -

Don't answer any questionS from the solicitors out of court.

If it dos go to court ague that you want to see the true cost of the charges as you do not feel they are correctly set. If you know anyone in the media even local radio tell them this and see if they want to cover the story. AS WE ALL KONW YOU CAN'T LIE IN COURT SO THEY WILL HAVE TO TELL REAL FEES & DON'T THINK THEY'D BE HAPPY IT BEING IN THE NEWS DO YOU ?? But would contact the Office of Fair Trading & Financial Obudsman saying whats happening see what they have to say.GOOD LUCK

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Well had a phonecall from this local solicitor, He was curious to know if I will be defending myself, and if I will have any witnesses present.

 

These *******s are planning something. I know other in Northern Ireland dealing with A&L and they haven't got there case transfered to this local solicitor yet and they are in court before me.

 

Anyone any ideas?

I'd be inclined to agree with blimeyboy that it's another scare tactic, dj9928.

Perhaps they think they can wrong-foot you, so you'll agree to a lower offer to make it all go away.

Play it cool for now, avoid any more phone calls from them, and keep us informed. :cool:

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I would not talk to the solicitor on the phone. Stay calm, they are trying to rattle you. I also think, that they cannot afford to go to court and say what it actually costs - I won a few months back and they dragged it out as long as they could. I got a chq for £4300.00 So hang in there

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