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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
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Hi there

 

Just received a letter from a DCA called Asset recoveries ltd telling me that they are recovering a debt which was assigned by northern rock to fairmile recoveries llp. With it was a letter from northern rock saying that they had sold by way of absolute assignment all interest in my account to fairmile recoveries. Does that mean they have sold the debt to fairmile? Is it worth CCAing fairmile?

 

What is a deed of assignment? Should i just pay, i have no qualms about the debt and i do acknowledge it.

 

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Hi there

 

Just received a letter from a DCA called Asset recoveries ltd telling me that they are recovering a debt which was assigned by northern rock to fairmile recoveries llp. With it was a letter from northern rock saying that they had sold by way of absolute assignment all interest in my account to fairmile recoveries. Does that mean they have sold the debt to fairmile? Is it worth CCAing fairmile?

 

What is a deed of assignment? Should i just pay, i have no qualms about the debt and i do acknowledge it.

 

Thanks

 

If you have no qualms about the debt, and you can pay it, i would write to fairmile recoveries and enquire if they are the owners of the debt, and ask them what settlement figures or terms they will offer.

i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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Three years ago I settled a mortgage debt with Northern Rock with the help of the CAB. At the time my mental and physical health would not support an application for any type of meaningful job, (more or less the same today) so they eventually asked for £500 in full and final settlement. The letter from their solicitors on 29th April 2004 confirmed that:

 

"Accordingly, subject to you signing and returning to us the enclosed form, we confirm on behalf of Northern Rock plc, that you have paid the sum of £500 in Full and Final Settlement of all claims that the Northern Rock plc may have against you in respect of your personal liability to repay the Mortgage Account specified above."

 

Going on to say: "May we take this opportunity to thank you for your co-operation in bringing this matter to a mutually satisfactory conclusion."

 

Needless to say, the form was duly sent back to the bank via their solicitors. The form was one of those that was signed to end any claims from my end, there being debate over some personal valuables that I was unable to recover from the house before it was repossessed.

 

Then I today receive this letter from Asset Recoveries asking me for £30k, and one from Northern Rock in the same envelope stating that the debt (as of 30th November 2006) has been sold to this recovery company.

 

Rather than give voice to my own suspicions, I will let you draw your own conclusions.

 

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Hi there

 

Just received a letter from a DCA called Asset recoveries ltd telling me that they are recovering a debt which was assigned by northern rock to fairmile recoveries llp. With it was a letter from northern rock saying that they had sold by way of absolute assignment all interest in my account to fairmile recoveries. Does that mean they have sold the debt to fairmile? Is it worth CCAing fairmile?

 

What is a deed of assignment? Should i just pay, i have no qualms about the debt and i do acknowledge it.

 

Thanks

 

There is no point in sending a CCA request at this point if you do not dispute the debt.

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Hi Mr mmmm and Imagination 75,

 

Ok, I received correspondance from the same company with respect to the same mortgage company as both of you (my debt also sold 30th November 2006!!!) within the last week.

Is this weird or have this company gone and bought a whole load of debt from the Northern Rock and is now chasing everyone at once!?!?

Please read my thread called "DCA approach after 5 years" and read the letter I received. Is it the same??

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"Accordingly, subject to you signing and returning to us the enclosed form, we confirm on behalf of Northern Rock plc, that you have paid the sum of £500 in Full and Final Settlement of all claims that the Northern Rock plc may have against you in respect of your personal liability to repay the Mortgage Account specified above."

 

Going on to say: "May we take this opportunity to thank you for your co-operation in bringing this matter to a mutually satisfactory conclusion."

 

 

As you have quoted from the letter... I assume that you still have it. If your offer was accepted in Full & Final settlement, then that's the end of it. It sounds as if Northern Rock's solicitors were slack in passing this info. to Northern Rock.... or NR haven't filed their info. away properly. In any case, no-one should be pursuing you for anything.

 

A suggested letter to the DCA would be :

 

I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT TO YOUR COMPANY.

 

With reference to your letter of xx/xx/2007, a full and final settlement was accepted by ????? on xx/xx/2007 which ended my lilability with Northern Rock

 

Yours faithfully/sincerely.

 

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(Attach copy confirmation of the letter you mentioned and send by rec. delivery).

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Completely agree with PO. Jason it might be worth your while pming Imagination75 to find out how this full and final was reached.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Hi Mr mmmm and Imagination 75,

 

Ok, I received correspondance from the same company with respect to the same mortgage company as both of you (my debt also sold 30th November 2006!!!) within the last week.

Is this weird or have this company gone and bought a whole load of debt from the Northern Rock and is now chasing everyone at once!?!?

Please read my thread called "DCA approach after 5 years" and read the letter I received. Is it the same??

Thanks.

Your situation was almost identical, except that my mind had gone for a wander while I was supposed to be working to pay the mortgage. The letters are both dated 15th June, referring to a balance as at 30th November 2006. This balance does not reflect the monies passed on to the Bank by their solicitors. It is also clear from their correspondence that Henderson's were fully empowered to act for them.

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As you have quoted from the letter... I assume that you still have it. If your offer was accepted in Full & Final settlement, then that's the end of it. It sounds as if Northern Rock's solicitors were slack in passing this info. to Northern Rock.... or NR haven't filed their info. away properly. In any case, no-one should be pursuing you for anything.

 

A suggested letter to the DCA would be :

 

I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT TO YOUR COMPANY.

 

With reference to your letter of xx/xx/2007, a full and final settlement was accepted by ????? on xx/xx/2007 which ended my lilability with Northern Rock

 

Yours faithfully/sincerely.

 

:p

 

(Attach copy confirmation of the letter you mentioned and send by rec. delivery).

Thank you. That was about the same as my intention, and i am glad of the wording.

 

I will do this on Sunday when I have calmed down a bit!

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Your situation was almost identical, except that my mind had gone for a wander while I was supposed to be working to pay the mortgage. The letters are both dated 15th June, referring to a balance as at 30th November 2006. This balance does not reflect the monies passed on to the Bank by their solicitors. It is also clear from their correspondence that Henderson's were fully empowered to act for them.

 

My letters also dated 15th of June, unfortunately I have no agreement. Out of curiosity how much did you have outstanding on your mortgage, if you dont mind me knowing. Also, how did you finally get them to agree to settle at £500.

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Thank you. That was about the same as my intention, and i am glad of the wording.

 

I will do this on Sunday when I have calmed down a bit!

 

No problem... :) .

 

Keep hold of that Full & Final settlement confirmation letter for the rest of your LIFE !! I have one from several years ago.... yet found the name of the mortgage company snooping around my credit files as recently as last year. :cool:

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My letters also dated 15th of June, unfortunately I have no agreement. Out of curiosity how much did you have outstanding on your mortgage, if you dont mind me knowing. Also, how did you finally get them to agree to settle at £500.

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I went to the Citizen's Advice Bureau. At the time, I was on income support with an incapacity supplement, gradually recovering from my breakdown in November 2002.

 

My house was repossessed in April 2002.

 

In early 2004, I could have declared myself bankrupt for £250 with no court fees, so this was the offer that the CAB made on my behalf. Probably knowing that the 2004 budget raised the bankruptcy charge to £500, they accepted that. They got £500 instead of nothing. I already had the bankruptcy paperwork from the court, and was quite prepared to do it. I still would, if push came to shove.

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I have one from several years ago.... yet found the name of the mortgage company snooping around my credit files as recently as last year. :cool:

One would never like to accuse them of being underhand, but what else could one say?

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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One would never like to accuse them of being underhand, but what else could one say?

 

Hmmmm.... :cool: . I did wonder if they were trying to find an associated address for the ex-husband though.... because they didn't make contact, despite their snooping. In fact, I've not heard from them for nearly 8 years....

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Does you ex still owe them money PO?

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Does you ex still owe them money PO?

 

I imagine so Rory.... He was in a terrible mess the last time my daughter went down to visit.... He told her that he owed around £100K. I reckon about half of this is the old mortgage debt that we had because they will have slapped interest on it. Whether he has tackled this or not... I have no idea. We don't talk that much, even now....

 

I have it in writing that I am not responsible for his half though. At the time, they agreed to split the debt down the middle and make us liable for half each. They eventually confirmed acceptance of my F & F, that all my liability with them had ended and that they would update all info. with the credit ref. agency about 8 years ago.

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An amendment to the last posting.

 

On 12/06/07 Fairmile Recoveries UK Ltd changed their name and Registered Office from Fairmile Lane, Cobham, Surrey, to the present address and name of Fairmile Recoveries LLP, company number: OC320017. This is from: www.companiesgate.co.uk

 

I am not sure about the relevance of information like this, although I can see how the frequency of DCA companies changing names and asset registers would confuse any debtor past or present, and add to the pressure.

 

As to what Northern Rock have done, they certainly wrote my debt off many years ago. So I don't think much of magically reinventing a financial amount, when their profits took a hit at the time as part of the legitimate cost of operating a lending business.

 

Although I in no way am going to be drawn into any argument about how much Fairmile (if indeed it is they) have paid the Bank, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at a board meeting where the directors realise what rubbish has been sold them.

 

Personally, I don't think they have yet bought the debt. I think that Fairmile, as an arm of Asset Recoveries, are doing what they can to tweak money out of as many people as they can. A lot of people are ashamed of unpaid debts, even where F & F S's like mine have been reached, and will do anything possible to ease their conscience. After a while, they will have some money, an idea of how much they can get out of the rest, and will then do a deal with Northern Rock.

 

I have no such compunction about my debt, because the house was oversold, overmortgaged, the surveyor didn't believe it was worth the money 12 years after I had bought it, and the way they treated me during the repossession period was scandalous and undoubtedly led to my breakdown.

 

I lost numerous items that were dear to me and will neither forgive or forget.

 

No wonder I am still receiving psychiatric help!:) :) :)

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My letter of reply sent today.

 

Many thanks for your help - I will keep you informed.

 

.................

 

By the way, my parents thought that I had been keeping this from them for ages, without letting them know - in the same way Ikept secret my alcoholism years ago.

 

Great! I have built back up a level of trust in my ability to run my life, and now they think I am losing it again!:rolleyes:

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