Civil Enforcement Ltd (again!)

[Supababe30]

Nick20045 - I'm glad I've made your day, I'm not lying, I don't live there anymore so "technically I'm not lying". They're crafty with the envelope though as there is no return address so you have to open it, but will be putting it back in a new envelope at a cost of a first class stamp to myself back to them. PS hope the underwear you're sending back is soiled lol

[Wildrose]

Well here I go again folks. It's not taken G24 long to contact us again (less than a week). The have suggested I contact either the DVLA or ICO to complain about our personal details being released to them .. what for .. We still are not going to pay. Also a final notice will be sent within 28 days of this letter .. bless em

 

Third letter .. are we doing well ??

[JonCris]

3rd letter! ner yer still a virgin

[Wildrose]

Awww Jon Cris .. dont tell me Im a born again virgin .. I hope they treat me gently lol

 

On a serious note .. not sure whether youve read my tale of woe on here, but G24 are the **** that are trying to bleed money from me. Anyway, long story, but the reason we overstayed on the car park was through negligence on behalf of the company with the car park .. they failed to clear snow and ice .. and my partner was injured. Ive read the legal stuff .. they have a duty of care .. even on private land .. should we counter their claim .. and sue them for injuries incurred lol:-| ????

[montythemole]

Well I got my 'notice before legal action' letter threathening a CCJ and warrant issuing to bailiffs.

 

It does look pretty threatening!

[letshelp]

Well I got my 'notice before legal action' letter threathening a CCJ and warrant issuing to bailiffs.

 

It does look pretty threatening!

Exactly how it was designed to be. You would not be scared into paying if they wrote, 'would you pretty, pretty please mind paying our begging letter, we cannot do anything if you don't, but would really appreciate you helping us out' now would you?

regards

[Wildrose]

Exactly how it was designed to be. You would not be scared into paying if they wrote, 'would you pretty, pretty please mind paying our begging letter, we cannot do anything if you don't, but would really appreciate you helping us out' now would you?

regards

 

Agree with you there letshelp, they want to play the heavy mob!! If we dont 'play' scaredy cats back, they throw the dummy out the pram and try some other tactic!!

[Happy Nurse]

Does anyone know how long they can wait before they send the first letter. I parked at the Hub MK on 30 Oct and received my letter 23rd Dec (Happy Xmas!)

[Wildrose]

Does anyone know how long they can wait before they send the first letter. I parked at the Hub MK on 30 Oct and received my letter 23rd Dec (Happy Xmas!)

 

Hi there, well theyre working pretty slow on you. We got "hooked" on the 23 December, 30 December first letter, fastly followed by 2 more .. they must need more money after the Xmas period. I guess they all work in their own sweet way.

 

Keep smiling.

[montythemole]

Agree with you there letshelp, they want to play the heavy mob!! If we dont 'play' scaredy cats back, they throw the dummy out the pram and try some other tactic!!

Well I sent a "stop bothering lease company and the company I work for, contact me instead but I still deny owing anything" letter to keep work happy. Threw in a "car park you list does not exist" line since they had the street wrong. I have noticed that on the most current letter they have conveniently changed the car park address to the correct one without mentioning their error. Could they do that if it was a real parking fine, presume police can't start proceedings for murdering Mr Jones and half way through remember they meant Mr Smith!?

 

Also copied the "don't pass my details on to third parties" section from above letter as well. Will see what we get back.

[StrawDog]

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Edited February 10, 2010 by StrawDog
Withdrawn

[coglan99]

hi everyone. I haven't heard anything about either of the two letters I have been ignoring yet from central ticketing which is good news but....I have recieved a third charge for parking in a retail park in Bolton. This retail park has a casino and a gala bingo on it. I get a ticket on the way in, play poker and by the time i leave the barrier is unmanned and open and i just leave. i do this every time i go (which is often). The letter says im being charged for "abused patron parking" but doesnt explain what i did wrong, just the usual "do not ignore" stuff. it says a ticket was fixed to my vehicle on the day but it I have never had a ticket in that car park...ever! anyone any ideas? shall I just ignore this one too. I think this confirms that i am on their "mug list" after paying a fine previously.

 

I have now recieved a letter from a debt collector threatening legal action and the bill has increased from 60.00 to 210.00!!! I have started on the template letters. I have double checked and there is no way i was parked where they say i was at the time they say.....Il keep you posted!

[letshelp]

I have started on the template letters.

They are now going to believe that you are hooked. You will now get more threatening letters than if you had just ignored them completely.

regards

[AARRRR PARKING!]

Hi everyone, first time user.

 

Now I know the story, all of them seem to be the same just want some back up before I crumble!

 

I parking in Godalming, surrey (Homebase) and have recieved letters from Civil Enforcement Ltd. The offence was on the 22/12/2009 and am up to the second letter already requesting £150!!!! (unfortunately the letters were sent to my parents address, as I have moved and not got round to changing my registration details, so already overdue). I know ignore everything but am unsure if I should send one response saying go away - as per template? In the case this does go further they could use the non response aspect against me. Or will this just fire them up further? What to do, what to do!!!!!

[beccaclair]

Hi, I'm another first-timer,

I've been sent a PARKING CONTRAVENTION Enforcement Notice with demands for £150. I'm going to try using Rob S's excellent letter template (2007) and see how I go.

Thanks to whoever set up this website, just hope the enemy hasn't caught on!

[nick20045]

Thanks to whoever set up this website, just hope the enemy hasn't caught on!

Caught on what? Fire! :D

[the_freedom_trail]

Hi, I'm another first-timer,

I've been sent a PARKING CONTRAVENTION Enforcement Notice with demands for £150. I'm going to try using Rob S's excellent letter template (2007) and see how I go.

Thanks to whoever set up this website, just hope the enemy hasn't caught on!

 

History has shown that you are more likely to get grief from a PPC if you respond to them. People have managed to get charges overturned on occassion; however, this is the exception and not the rule!

 

Follow the advice of ignore - I have encountered these idiots before and ignoring them brought me no hastle apart from a few poorly written letters that have long since been trashed.

 

Your biggest mistake is to treat them and their business as legitimate - they are [problematic] and have no legal basis to do what they do. You wouldn't talk to a drug dealer so don't talk to a PPC either!

 

All the best,

 

TFT

[nick20045]

What to do, what to do!!!!!

See if you like this draft letter. Obviously you are free to ignore/amend/edit as you wish.

 

Dear Gary Wayne

 

I thank you for your letter.

 

I am the registered keeper of the vechile in question but I was not the driver at the time.

 

Your "penalty notice" is based on contractual law and as I was not the driver at the time then I did not enter into any contract with you.

 

Should you wish to pursue this claim please write to the person who was driving it and who entered into the contract with you:

 

Mr Pedro Alfredo BinSupaman Garcia

3219 East Camelback Road #806

Phoenix, AZ 85018

USA

 

Yours sincerely

[letshelp]

In the case this does go further they could use the non response aspect against me.

How, could you explain that part of your post please?

regards

[AARRRR PARKING!]

How, could you explain that part of your post please?

regards

 

Should the case go to small claims court they may use their inability to contact you or for you to respond as a reason the case has not been settled beforehand.

I would imagine this may be fround upon?

If we respond saying go away, at least you have attampted to dispand the situation. This however goes against some of the advise and may mean they write to you more...

 

This is my situation and why I really wanted someones advice to put me at ease.

[montythemole]

Well I sent a "stop bothering lease company and the company I work for, contact me instead but I still deny owing anything" letter to keep work happy. Threw in a "car park you list does not exist" line since they had the street wrong. I have noticed that on the most current letter they have conveniently changed the car park address to the correct one without mentioning their error. Could they do that if it was a real parking fine, presume police can't start proceedings for murdering Mr Jones and half way through remember they meant Mr Smith!?

 

Also copied the "don't pass my details on to third parties" section from above letter as well. Will see what we get back.

Well OK I got a response today:

"unable to cancel enforcement notice, legal basis of the ticket issued is contract law, data protection act explanation and an offer for £10 to tell me what data they hold about me!" The only data they have is what I've told them for frigs sake!

 

Also has "signage at car park makes clear we'll get details from DVLA" yes may be true doesn't make it right. I can wear a t-shirt saying if you talk to me I'll punch you in the mouth, isn't legal though!

 

Also gives details of the Data Protection number.

 

They've attached a further "PCN" which has handily changed the address to the correct street now. They've made no mention in the letter of the fact this whole course of letters is based upon a ticket issued on a incorrectly addressed car park that they've now corrected on the sly.

 

Finally I get one more chance to pay at £75, cheque only, before they start county court proceedings.

 

So will probably ignore.

Under Contract Law they can only get loss of earnings yes? So should I offer to pay the £1 to clear the matter up (whilst stating that I still deny being the driver or owing money) just to annoy them?

 

Or is it now worth asking why I effectively have multiple "PCN" for the same time and date at two different streets!

[nick20045]

In the case this does go further they could use the non response aspect against me.

Non response is NOT admitting you are guilty. There is case law regarding this:

 

Felthouse v Bindley [1862] EWHC CP J35 (08 July 1862)

[the_freedom_trail]

Should the case go to small claims court they may use their inability to contact you or for you to respond as a reason the case has not been settled beforehand.

I would imagine this may be fround upon?

If we respond saying go away, at least you have attampted to dispand the situation. This however goes against some of the advise and may mean they write to you more...

 

This is my situation and why I really wanted someones advice to put me at ease.

 

It comes down to the actions of a reasonable person. Lets say that you were one of the 0.01% that had a county court claim filed against them. Your defence to not responding would be that you believed the company was not legitimate (demonstrate this by highlighting unlawful business practice, dodgy paperwork, etc - wouldn't be hard), you had never willingly entered in to a contract with them, had no desire to have any contractual relationship with them and considered that involving yourself with them might cause you harm.

 

There is a big difference from ignoring a British Gas bill (for example) and an a [problem] invoice from a PPC!

 

They don't take people to court en masse - it simply isn't a viable business model for them - they occassionally take a case to court (usually those who contact or give them credit as a reputable company) to maintain the threat to every one else who pays without question.

 

I have ignored an invoice from a PPC - they didn't even write to me . I have advised friends/family to do likewise. None of us have ended up in the County Court!

 

TFT

[letshelp]

Well OK I got a response today:

"unable to cancel enforcement notice,

 

:eek: Appeal turned down, I think that is a first on this forum.

legal basis of the ticket issued is contract law, data protection act explanation and an offer for £10 to tell me what data they hold about me!" The only data they have is what I've told them for frigs sake!

 

Shouldn't have told them anything then should you, then all they would have is the Registered Keepers details that may or may not have been you.

 

Also has "signage at car park makes clear we'll get details from DVLA" yes may be true doesn't make it right. I can wear a t-shirt saying if you talk to me I'll punch you in the mouth, isn't legal though!

 

Also gives details of the Data Protection number.

 

 

They've attached a further "PCN" which has handily changed the address to the correct street now. They've made no mention in the letter of the fact this whole course of letters is based upon a ticket issued on a incorrectly addressed car park that they've now corrected on the sly.

 

A PPC admit to a mistake, don't think we have had many of them on here.

 

Finally I get one more chance to pay at £75, cheque only, before they start county court proceedings.

 

:lol: Don't hold your breath.

 

So will probably ignore.

Under Contract Law they can only get loss of earnings yes? So should I offer to pay the £1 to clear the matter up (whilst stating that I still deny being the driver or owing money) just to annoy them?

 

That's the thing you wont annoy them, the temptation to respond or lash out at them is sometimes very overwhelming, but they get abusive or smartass letters all the time, they are not bothered they just want your money. If you really, really want to hurt them and p*ss them off then ignore them completely, that really gets their back up.

 

Or is it now worth asking why I effectively have multiple "PCN" for the same time and date at two different streets!

 

NO, stop getting drawn in, IT IS A [problem] and you are falling for it.

 

regards

[letshelp]

Should the case go to small claims court they may use their inability to contact you or for you to respond as a reason the case has not been settled beforehand.

I would imagine this may be fround upon?

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I agree completely with what, TFT and NICK have stated. No one will make any such assumption.

regards