BAILIFFADVICE......An apology from HERBIE......

[Guest Herbie]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Calvi

 

Until this thread started, you had never visited this part of the site.

 

As debt counsellors I have always supported, and will continue to support the organisation in your post for their advice on IVA's and Bankruptcy. However, as I have previously stated, very few people are aware of bailiff matters, and most simply paste and copy other sites. ( We have never done this)

 

However, I am pleased to hear that this company are being supported by the moderators to CAG.

 

In this case, BEFORE posted a link to this company, could they not have instead asked that you look closely at the advice given on this site under BAILIFFS

 

This is because, like NATIONAL DEBTLINE they have the fees that the bailiff can charge for COUNCIL TAX only. Nothing else. If you have a a bailiff visit resulting from an unpaid PCN....tough. In addition, the fees stated for Council Tax are the ones from 9 YEARS AGO. There have been THREE increases since that time !!! So again, more incorrect information being provided, with the moderators permission to your viewers.

 

In addition, under HOW TO COMPLAIN, it lists the details of ACEA ( The Assocaiaion of Civil Enforcement Agents) .

 

This company, (who I know very well) will not be impressed to find that the address on this recommended site is totally incorrect....and the telephone number is disconnected. ACEA have not been at this address for a long time. As for details of the second company listed under How to Complain....I have never heard of them !!!

 

I'm sorry, Calvi but nearly 600 viewers have visited this thread. I have been completely overwhelmed with the huge number of telephone calls and e-mails that have come into my office since this thread started.....and every single message has praised my site with not a single complaint over the nominal fee, but each person wondering what on earth you are trying to achieve and the moderators to CAG too.

 

With your help now on this bailiff section and with the assistance of both NATIONAL DEBTLINE and this new link, I think it is probably the right time to say goodbye and good luck to all those on here.

 

Thank you everyone.

[calvi36]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Calvi

 

Until this thread started, you had never visited this part of the site. ( I have no idea where you get this info as it is incorrect)

 

As debt counsellors I have always supported, and will continue to support the organisation in your post for their advice on IVA's and Bankruptcy. However, as I have previously stated, very few people are aware of bailiff matters, and most simply paste and copy other sites. ( We have never done this)

 

However, I am pleased to hear that this company are being supported by the moderators to CAG.

 

In this case, BEFORE posted a link to this company, could they not have instead asked that you look closely at the advice given on this site under BAILIFFS ( I do not speak for moderators or site owners)

 

This is because, like NATIONAL DEBTLINE they have the fees that the bailiff can charge for COUNCIL TAX only. Nothing else. If you have a a bailiff visit resulting from an unpaid PCN....tough. In addition, the fees stated for Council Tax are the ones from 9 YEARS AGO. There have been THREE increases since that time !!! So again, more incorrect information being provided, with the moderators permission to your viewers.

 

In addition, under HOW TO COMPLAIN, it lists the details of ACEA ( The Assocaiaion of Civil Enforcement Agents) .

 

This company, (who I know very well) will not be impressed to find that the address on this recommended site is totally incorrect....and the telephone number is disconnected. ACEA have not been at this address for a long time. As for details of the second company listed under How to Complain....I have never heard of them !!!

 

I'm sorry, Calvi but nearly 600 viewers have visited this thread. ( You have given helpful advice, I have never disputed this)I have been completely overwhelmed with the huge number of telephone calls and e-mails that have come into my office since this thread started (Is that on your 090 number? Must be making more than the £12.00 a day you claimed earlier!).....and every single message has praised my site with not a single complaint over the nominal fee, but each person wondering what on earth you are trying to achieve and the moderators to CAG too. (What I was trying to achieve was to highlight the fact your website is for commercial gain, ref the premium rate number)

 

With your help now on this bailiff section and with the assistance of both NATIONAL DEBTLINE and this new link, I think it is probably the right time to say goodbye and good luck to all those on here.( I am sorry you feel like this as your input was and always is welcome, so long as it is not for commercial gain)

 

Thank you everyone.

 

 

Regards,

 

Calvi36

[Guest Herbie]

If you had taken the time to read the site you would know that the 09065 number is to access the DOWNLOADS part of the site ONLY. Why on earth would anyone use that number to telephone me personally.

 

Yet again, you are so very wrong. Telephone calls and e-mails are to my normal office number. Yet again, you are doing nothing more than attempting to inflame this subject.

 

Could you please let this matter drop once and for all......

[livelylad]

Ok I think this has been debated long enough, lets put this this rest now. Any more and I will close this thread.

[Guest Herbie]

As far as I am concerned, this thread is closed and I have said goodbye.

 

Many thanks to you all for all your thanks and great support over the past 2 days.

 

Goodbye. Herbie.

[livelylad]

As far as I am concerned, this thread is closed and I have said goodbye.

 

Many thanks to you all for all your thanks and great support over the past 2 days.

 

Goodbye. Herbie.

 

It is of course your decision regarding leaving the site. I hope that you will remain part of the site and indeed offer help to others on this site.

[The Watcher]

As far as I am concerned, this thread is closed and I have said goodbye.

 

Many thanks to you all for all your thanks and great support over the past 2 days.

 

Goodbye. Herbie.

 

Herbie

 

Your support and advice has been invaluable to many many people on this site, and you would be sorely missed if you left.

 

Many people would probably get caught out without your guidance and support.

 

Please don't let a disagreement with one particular poster make you make such a drastic decision.

[rscott101]

Herbie,

 

I agree completely with The Watcher's comment above.

 

Personally, I don't have a problem with you charging to access to your documents.

I can accept though, that any advertising/ promotion of your site which you may have done through CAG is against CAG's rules. Have to say though, that i didn't realise that you were connected with that site, so you can't have been advertising it much.

 

Please stay around - your advice has helped many, many people so far.

 

A longtime lurker.

[Guest HONESTLY]

DELETED

[calvi36]

Herbie

 

Your support and advice has been invaluable to many many people on this site, and you would be sorely missed if you left.

 

Many people would probably get caught out without your guidance and support.

 

Please don't let a disagreement with one particular poster make you make such a drastic decision.

 

 

I agree with you watcher. I do not have a disagreement with herbie at all, I think herbie offers good advice based on fact. I posted about the 090 number, that was my concern, I never complained to any mods about the link. I do not get involved in personal attacks at all and never will, I do not tolerate personal attacks on myself. I hope herbie stays and helps others on here, for free.

[Tau]

Herbie

I dont post much on this site, mainly as I dont know what Im talking about :o , but I have read nearly all the posts on this forum(sad I know) and your knowledge, experience and wisdom will sorely be missed.

You and many others have donated so much of your valuable time and not inconsiderable effort into helping people with their financial problems it would seem such a waste to not to have you around anymore, to do what you do best, Helping people that have problems with the unscrupulous Baliff companies that are out there and DCA's etc.

I hope you will reconsider your decision and continue to post on this forum.

 

Geoff

[calvi36]

Can the very few of you who are on my back please jump off as I have the only monkey I need on it ie my MRS. I have stated numerous times in this thread what the problem is. It is NOT HERBIE, it is the premium rate number on her website. This is the issue and without going into it all again I will say this. I love cag, no am not a mod as has been put in a post. I could setup a website quite easily and offer a service to reclaim bank charges for anyone who visits the site, I could also advertise in local and national newspapers. This has happened! It happens in my local free paper, but it does not make it right that the information available from CAG is used to enhance the commercial gain of any person or company.

We have all seen the companies that have been setup to aid people in reclaiming their charges from banks, have we also seen the percentages they will take when a win is achieved, 30% to 50%! This is the overiding principle and ethos of CAG, it is FREE advice, online, no premium rate numbers, no call out charges. I advise in a different forum to this and as this is my specialised area I am 100% certain in that advice, else I would not post. It is very easy to personally attack someone on this site, that is why there are rules. I have not attacked anyone, i have raised an issue to the post that herbie made initially. At the end of the day, I welcome help and input from everyone. I do not diss anyone. I may look at posts and think hmmmmmmmm that's not right, but I hold my tongue or as it is on here fingers. I object to any link containing a premium rate number, it is bad enough with dca's with their 0870 numbers, but an 090 number from a member of CAG via a link, that is JUST NOT ON.

[setmefree]

I agree with calvi36,no body has personally launched an attack at Herbie,yet calvi36 and myself has been branded as instigator's this is not fair.

what has been pointed out is a premium number on her web site,which i for one disagree with,this is my opinion which i'm entitled to make.

On this site there are many FREE templates on a variety of subjects,so i don't believe that i should have to phone premium number to obtain a template or letter or to get information,that's my choice and i'm sticking to it.

Herbie has infact put a vast amount of information onto this site, and for that we are all grateful,would not the easy solution be to put her templates into the template section on CAG free, the same as many others have done ,that way no one either side of the debate would have a problem,and Herbie would still be handing out her good advice.

setmefree

[lookinforinfo]

I suppose it is almost inevitable that there will be fall outs from time to time

given the number of members in the forum.

As a member since last March I have seen members come and go-a fact of

life I suppose.

 

Herbie is not the first one to come up against being refused a link because

of a commercial link, regardless of the assistance provided on this forum which has been impressive.

Alison of Bailiff Watchdog is another case in point. She went through the

full gamut with the forum.

At first her link was allowed as her site was free, then when she started to

charge for the service, the link was withdrawn. Later when her service

was free again, her link was restored. Sadly, her site was unable to continue

working after that change in policy. And she is missed.

 

It is very difficult to maintain a free service, not to mention expensive. But

while Herbies' site is not expensive, [try getting that kind of information

from legal sources and see how much they charge] nevertheless it is a

commercial operation. And it is for that reason, and no other, that the link

has been disabled.

 

Many members obviously have reason to be grateful for the unstinting help she has provided on the forum. Hopefully she will continue her good work.

But we must also acknowledge that were it not for Dave originally, there

would be no forum for many of us to have learned what we have learned.

 

So as it is Daves' forum, it is Daves' rules that rule.

[Guest WISEHILL]

Just adding my name to this thread

[Saffronflowers]

This has really got my goat posted on another forum - this forum you can get all that you need for free - no need for good will here

 

Drakes bailiffs.

I ran a check for you on the bailiff ( no names should be posted on the public forum...for obvious reasons) and the courts list in March showed that he had a hearing date for a new certifcate. He was granted that cert in April last year. My records show that he is recorded as working for Revenue Services. That normally referrs to working for the local authority. If he now works for Drakes he would be aware that Under the Distress for Rent Act he MUST surrender his cert in and a new one will be given to him. It would appear that he has not done this.

 

With regards to his fees, these do not appear correct at all. Did he levy on any goods.? If so what was the amount that he was trying to collect from you

 

It would appear that he was collecting rent not council tax etc. Am I correct ? Did you receive any notice etc? Also has he indicated that he is going to return?

 

With regards to his fees and the certificate, the correct route is to send an SAR to Drakes. This is a Subject Access Request and is provided under the Data Protection Act. The bailiff company MUST BY LAW provide the information to you.

 

As a newcomer here, I have pm'd you a copy. Further copies can be found on our website at www.xxxxxxx.co.

You will need to refer to the Downloads section where you will see the title Subject Access Request .

 

I can respond further once the above info is known.

[Guest Herbie]

As many people know, I have been providing SAR's, bailiff searches and copies of fees, template letters and much more to posters on this forum always for FREE from my website.

 

I have done this by way of pm's and I fully intend to continue to do so.

 

Due entirlely to the actions of a couple of posters I have moved to another forum.....much the same as some moderators from here have done. Thank you.

[setmefree]

As many people know, I have been providing S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)'s, bailiff searches and copies of fees, template letters and much more to posters on this forum always for FREE from my website.

 

I have done this by way of pm's and I fully intend to continue to do so.

 

Due entirlely to the actions of a couple of posters(actions which were supported by the site) I have moved to another forum(good luck).....much the same as some moderators from here have done.(everyone is entitled to change) Thank you.

 

Good luck with your new venture ,the one you PM'd me about,I'm Sorry i can't support you with this one either as you have stated that you will also charge for this service.

Good Luck

setmefree

[calvi36]

As many people know, I have been providing S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)'s, bailiff searches and copies of fees, template letters and much more to posters on this forum always for FREE from my website. I have previously requested that you post the relevant info on cag for the good of all members and not a slected few. You have failed to do this and also failed to respond to this request.

 

I have done this by way of pm's and I fully intend to continue to do so.

 

Due entirlely to the actions of a couple of posters I have moved to another forum.....much the same as some moderators from here have done. Thank you.

I take umbridge at this section of your post, myself and a few others openly pointed out that your link was breaching cag rules. You chose to justify your link by all means you had. I remain satisfied as to the reasons why I posted, what I posted and the fact that the site admin removed your link.

 

When I first viewed your site Herbie, I was thinking, this looks like a great source of information. If you recollect I had actually stated that any site that aids cag members is useful. Then I changed my opinion completely upon finding the 090 number. The reasoning behind this is as I have previously posted. I am not at all against you covering your costs and making a profit, that is what happens in business. I am however 100% against links to profit making organisations placed on CAG. As I stated earlier in this thread this is why I took umbridge to your link and completely agreed with the mods decision to have it removed. For me and this is my personal opinion, if you have bailiffs coming for you then £6.00 does nothing more than make the poor poorer. If you were to offer this advice and documents FOC on CAG then I would do nothing but applaud you. I would like to add that at no point have I attempted to justify my "silly arguments" to you. I have stated facts, ie cost of premium rate calls, why it is against CAG rules to link etc. Maybe i should just dress in a smok, doc martin boots and a pink tu tu, run round the house shouting goony goo goo, now that would be "silly"! My previous post in reference to documents you have being made freely available.

 

From Saffron's post: Further copies can be found on our website at www.xxxxxxx.co.

You will need to refer to the Downloads section where you will see the title Subject Access Request .

 

As you are fully aware it is your downloads section that has the 090 number, you gain access to this section by calling your premium rate number. From Saffron's post it is clear that you are directing people not only to your site but to the exact place in that site that you earn money.The access as your site says is for 24 hrs and costs six pounds. You have failed to mention any access limitations. So although you may think your site is reasonably priced I would disagree completely, £6.00 a day could end up in one hell of a telephone bill. As your site is for commercial gain it was banned. IN A NUTSHELL YOU BREACHED THE RULES OF CAG. THOSE RUULES ARE THERE FOR THE PROTECTION OF ALL.

THEN AGAIN ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY!

[tomtubby]

TO CALVI

I have spent the past 15 minutes reading this thread and am surprised to find that there are over 21 replies from you to this subject and after the argument that you caused that resulted in him leaving cag you have only posted replies to two questions and nothing more is heard from you until this post came alive again.......do you have a secret motive somewhere here.....your own website maybe..

 

If you spend time looking at the answers being given on the site now, it is clear that Herbi's presence is being missed.

 

My brother had a problem with a bailiff at his building company last summer. That was before finding this site and herbie's good advice. He paid over £600 in solicitors costs......he would have found better advice by paying £6 on his website. YOU HAVE A PERSONAL PROBLEM and won't even stay here to help the people that now have little good advice.

[calvi36]

TO CALVI

I have spent the past 15 minutes reading this thread and am surprised to find that there are over 21 replies from you to this subject and after the argument that you caused that resulted in him leaving cag you have only posted replies to two questions and nothing more is heard from you until this post came alive again.......do you have a secret motive somewhere here.....your own website maybe..

 

If you spend time looking at the answers being given on the site now, it is clear that Herbi's presence is being missed.

 

My brother had a problem with a bailiff at his building company last summer. That was before finding this site and herbie's good advice. He paid over £600 in solicitors costs......he would have found better advice by paying £6 on his website. YOU HAVE A PERSONAL PROBLEM and won't even stay here to help the people that now have little good advice.

 

 

If you had thoroughly read the posts I made and inwardly digested what I was saying you would have realised that the only problem I have is that someone had attached a commercial link to their posts. End of ok!

[tomtubby]

You are obviously just waiting in the wings to follow behind any mention of herbie. I dont know how many times that you have reapeted yourself.

 

I know that herbie told some people that he knew well on her that it was clear that you would be pouncing on each post he made. It looks like you would.

 

This is not your site and yet you continure to mention that he has broken the rules. Excuse me but that is not for you to determine.

 

After eventually persuading herbie to go you instead posted links to free advice for s site with out od date information and links to another site that only left readers with old fees for council tax.

 

Take a look around at the questions on the site today and what looks clear is that a lot of wrong advice is being given.

 

Hopefully after what you have acheived you will now stay here to give people the help that herbie used to provide. £6 is too cheap for the info provided on his site.

[calvi36]

You are obviously just waiting in the wings to follow behind any mention of herbie. I dont know how many times that you have reapeted yourself. I am not waiting in the wings at all, I am subscribed to this thread. How many times have I repeated what the issue was? Too many, yet some still take this as a personal vendetta, this is certainly not the case Tom. I have never disagreed with any advice herbie (she not he) has given, it has been invaluable advice to many members. repeating myself once again, link, commercial, linked into cag posts, bovvered, yes I was.

 

I know that herbie told some people that he knew well on her that it was clear that you would be pouncing on each post he made. It looks like you would. I am not aware of any such comments that you say herbie has made, if you have copies it would be interesting reading.

 

This is not your site and yet you continure to mention that he has broken the rules. Excuse me but that is not for you to determine. Any member of cag has the right to object to a thread, post or link, that is why there is a red triangle next to each post! I did not determine that any rules had been broken, I never even reported the link! therefore it was an administrator that determined whether or not the link should be allowed. They determined it was not allowed.

 

After eventually persuading herbie to go you instead posted links to free advice for s site with out od date information and links to another site that only left readers with old fees for council tax. I certainly did not persuade herbie to leave and as i see she has posted this evening I do not think she left. I did not want herbie to leave so where you get this from is beyond me.

 

Take a look around at the questions on the site today and what looks clear is that a lot of wrong advice is being given. Yes there is incorrect advice given, but in the time I have been here, others have always challenged that advice, or asked the person asking for the advice to await someone more knowledgable. At the end of the day 99.9% of the time the person will receive the correct information.

 

Hopefully after what you have acheived you will now stay here to give people the help that herbie used to provide. £6 is too cheap for the info provided on his site.

I have never left the site and view it 3-4 times daily, and where I can help I certainly will.

 

 

To clarify ONCE AGAIN this is not a debate about herbie, this is a matter of site rules being breached for commercial gain.

[breenie07]

I must give my thanks to all concerned here and herbie. Any help or advice when you are in a deep hole is welcome. Pity that there's a bust up here, but I have found both Herbie and Tom to be helpful today. So thank you both

[setmefree]

After eventually persuading herbie to go(when did anyone persuade Herbie to go) you instead posted links to free advice for s site with out od date information and links to another site that only left readers with old fees for council tax.

 

Hopefully after what you have acheived you will now stay here to give people the help that herbie used to provide. £6 is too cheap for the info provided on his site.(ah i see,so are you stating that we should pay for advice then)

([/quote]

Obviously i must be behind the times, and with a certain person making claims about being in talks with a very high association,there must be some justice in charging for information which CAN be obtained for free.