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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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this just shows you imature attitude, if you adopt the same attitude towards your debts, its no wonder your in trouble!!!!

 

Im sure he's not in trouble - infact im sure he's loving every minute of baiting your industry...like i am :)

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i think what you need to remember is that a lot of our members have had some pretty bad experiences with debt collectors at one time or another. so feelings do tend to run high on this topic

 

the example i gave in my recent post highlights that you dont always get it right, but the problem is that in the cases ive seen is that you dont accept any wrong doing,even when the person has done all they can to tell you their income and expenditure etc, you still hound them for payment, payments that they will never be able to make in their current situation

 

it would be fairer for you to take them to court than to dog and harrass the life out of people

 

I dont think anyone can say they get it right first time, I certainly dont get it right all the time but I dont ever make the same mistake twice..

 

Let me give you an example. I recently had to deal with a single mum with 2 kids whos's child had just got in with the wrong croud and stole her credit card and pin. he ran up debt of just under 2k and had been told unless she was willing to prosecute her own son she was liable, I had her crying on the phone for hours, I explored every option and took a few days to get back to her. her dad was offering a full and final but rather than ruin her already shakey credit rating I decided off my own back to wipe all her over limit and late payment fees and wiped of the debt, which I later took a severe b*ollicing for, now I didnt have to do that but I did, so while I appreciate that you, your friends, your family, may have had problems where not all the monsters you make out

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Let me give you an example. I recently had to deal with a single mum with 2 kids whos's child had just got in with the wrong croud and stole her credit card and pin nothing to do with you, a police matter. he ran up debt of just under 2k and had been told unless she was willing to prosecute her own son she was liable, I had her crying on the phone for hours told by whom? yet again,nothing to do with you I explored every option and took a few days to get back to her. her dad was offering a full and final but rather than ruin her already shakey credit rating how kind of you I decided off my own back to wipe all her over limit and late payment fees illegal anyway and wiped of the debt, which I later took a severe b*ollicing for good now I didnt have to do that but I did what a saint so while I appreciate that you, your friends, your family, may have had problems where not all the monsters you make out not you personally but the system you are a part of is

 

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and that last sentence unfortunately sums you up... you''e talking about the bottom line again when really it would have meant more to us if you'd said.. "I managed to come to an arrangement with a little old granny who couldnt afford too much in repayments and we agreed to accept what she could afford" or something of similar ilk, the fact everything with you and your job is money orientated is why you and your kind will always be hated on this forum.

 

You state in a reply above, nobody bent their arm to take the money... nobody bent barclays arm to lend to them either... both sides must take blame.

 

S.

 

I agree actuallyit is both sides to blame, but the point im making is that when reading some of peoples comments it frustrates me and you picture Barclacard stood with a gun or twisting their arm up their back.

 

and actually I think because this is my view thats why I deal with people differently please have a read....

 

Let me give you an example. I recently had to deal with a single mum with 2 kids whos's child had just got in with the wrong croud and stole her credit card and pin. he ran up debt of just under 2k and had been told unless she was willing to prosecute her own son she was liable, I had her crying on the phone for hours, I explored every option and took a few days to get back to her. her dad was offering a full and final but rather than ruin her already shakey credit rating I decided off my own back to wipe all her over limit and late payment fees and wiped of the debt, which I later took a severe b*ollicing for, now I didnt have to do that but I did, so while I appreciate that you, your friends, your family, may have had problems where not all the monsters you make out

 

so yes I do take it as a kick in the B*lls when ive gone out my way to help someone and I get rude and childish comments on here, I have time for people like you who talk but I dont have any time for people who want to insult me or write childish comments

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Dwheeler, your comments to my last post sums up what **** work in the debt collection industry, that is just typical example of mercers caring customers service - thats exactly WHY we look at our agreements and tell our fellow members DO NOT SPEAK TO THESE PEOPLE (I use the word people loosly - in my mind your all leeces - use fear, intimidation - you wouldn't know the meaning of fair and consideration if it bit you on the backside)

 

So you've worked in the industry since leaving school - when was that last week - I'd say it was by your immature comments!

 

Think it's time the Mods. 'terminated' this member - he/she sorry 'IT' serves no purpose to CAG.

 

The tide is turning against the likes of you & the industry you claim to represent.

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It was the police who told her, they would not give her a crime ref without leaving her son liable. I could have told her it wasnt my problem but I decided to help

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I agree actuallyit is both sides to blame, but the point im making is that when reading some of peoples comments it frustrates me and you picture Barclacard stood with a gun or twisting their arm up their back. thats great news hope you get frustrated even more

 

and actually I think because this is my view thats why I deal with people differently please have a read....how you deceive people differently you mean?

 

Let me give you an example. I recently had to deal with a single mum with 2 kids whos's child had just got in with the wrong croud and stole her credit card and pin. he ran up debt of just under 2k and had been told unless she was willing to prosecute her own son she was liable, I had her crying on the phone for hours, I explored every option and took a few days to get back to her. her dad was offering a full and final but rather than ruin her already shakey credit rating I decided off my own back to wipe all her over limit and late payment fees and wiped of the debt, which I later took a severe b*ollicing for, now I didnt have to do that but I did, so while I appreciate that you, your friends, your family, may have had problems where not all the monsters you make out you already said (see above)

 

so yes I do take it as a kick in the B*lls when ive gone out my way to help someone and I get rude and childish comments on here plenty more of them coming your way I have time for people like you who talk but I dont have any time for people who want to insult me or write childish comments no-one wants you here anyway in case u hadnt noticed

 

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It was the police who told her, they would not give her a crime ref without leaving her son liable. I could have told her it wasnt my problem but I decided to help

 

You only decided to "help" so as your companies best interests was looked after...you couldnt have gave a monkies about that mum or her child & sitaution....:rolleyes:

So dont come across all saintly on here coz it makes me & most other Caggers puke quite frankly.

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Dw*nker, your comments to my last post sums up what **** work in the debt collection industry, that is just typical example of mercers caring customers service - thats exactly WHY we look at our agreements and tell our fellow members DO NOT SPEAK TO THESE PEOPLE (I use the word people loosly - in my mind your all leeces - use fear, intimidation - you wouldn't know the meaning of fair and consideration if it bit you on the backside)

 

So you've worked in the industry since leaving school - when was that last week - I'd say it was by your immature comments!

 

Think it's time the Mods. 'terminated' this member - he/she sorry 'IT' serves no purpose to CAG.

 

The tide is turning against the likes of you & the industry you claim to represent.

 

I treated you with the same contempt that you did with me. its alright for you to throw snide comments at me but when I give them back you dont like it!!!!

 

I left school in 1994 actually

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You only decided to "help" so as your companies best interests was looked after...you couldnt have gave a monkies about that mum or her child & sitaution....:rolleyes:

So dont come across all saintly on here coz it makes me & most other Caggers puke quite frankly.

 

it was done in the best interests of the parent actually !!

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I know they have some serious issues when you state that you are an employee and state your salary.....I know 2 guys from a major retailer who were sacked for posting on forum boards.....

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Dw*nker, your comments to my last post sums up what **** work in the debt collection industry, that is just typical example of mercers caring customers service - thats exactly WHY we look at our agreements and tell our fellow members DO NOT SPEAK TO THESE PEOPLE (I use the word people loosly - in my mind your all leeces - use fear, intimidation - you wouldn't know the meaning of fair and consideration if it bit you on the backside)

 

So you've worked in the industry since leaving school - when was that last week - I'd say it was by your immature comments!

 

Think it's time the Mods. 'terminated' this member - he/she sorry 'IT' serves no purpose to CAG.

 

The tide is turning against the likes of you & the industry you claim to represent.

 

 

I treated you with the same contempt that you did with me. its alright for you to throw snide comments at me but when I give them back you dont like it!!!!

I think the saying treat others the way you wish to be treated springs to mind !!

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I seriously doubt everything is as rosy in your industry as you make out.

If it was..you wouldnt feel the need to post on forums like this.

You & i both know that your company/industry is suffering & that is in part, thanks to sites like this.

Me thinks that this is really a case of you wanting to get your "own back" so to speak, on what you see as the causes of your companies problems..namely CAG & sites like it.;)

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Do Barclays know that you are posting on here ?

 

 

YES actually I had a conversation last night with the director of collections just to cover my back incase any threats were made or someone tried to use it against me

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Only reason I ask is you mention that you state that you follow procedures and policy for your company, and as I am familiar with contracts of employment, i'd say that you were in breach of several policies in your contract of employment....but I can tell you now, that the Chairman of Barclays would NOT be happy with some of your comments on here......

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YES actually I had a conversation last night with the director of collections just to cover my back incase any threats were made or someone tried to use it against me

 

Well in that case you wont mind if one of us on here clarifies that with the "director of collections" ;)

Come to think of it Barclays head office might be interested to hear off one of us?

If you are suggesting what i think you are..in that your pressence on here has your directors "approval" then i smell a potential scandal there somewhere..:cool:

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I know they have some serious issues when you state that you are an employee and state your salary.....I know 2 guys from a major retailer who were sacked for posting on forum boards.....

 

I stated 41k in a previous post however I could have earned more I could have just pulled that figure out of the sky, the only correct info is how I run my personal finances and if I choose to disclose that then thats up to me

 

Barclays are quite open over salaries, all you have to do is look at barclays.com and search for B3 B4 B5 B6 B7 in the recruitment pages and you will see exactely what people are on its no secret otherwise they wouldnt publish it

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I treated you with the same contempt that you did with me. its alright for you to throw snide comments at me but when I give them back you dont like it!!!!

I think the saying treat others the way you wish to be treated springs to mind !!

 

When I read your first post I thought you might offer sound advice - how wrong I was ! Snide remarks? Nah just lowered myself to your level in the manner the likes of you speak to us on the phone.

 

Your not getting to me dwheeler - actual fact I'm luvvin every minute of it - more like we are getting to you me finks.

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Well in that case you wont mind if one of us on here clarifies that with the "director of collections" ;)

Come to think of it Barclays head office might be interested to hear off one of us?

If you are suggesting what i think you are..in that your pressence on here has your directors "approval" then i smell a potential scandal there somewhere..:cool:

 

My Director was told of the comments made on here and was dissappointed (like me) and is interested to know why we are getting such a poor reputation

 

There is no secret that im on here and I made myself know as Barclays staff straight away so you cant say you were tricked or lead into any comments - you made you opinions made quite clear from the start

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