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    • Hello, welcome to CAG. It would be a good idea for you to read other shoplifting threads here to get an idea of how this works. The police won't get involved now, so no chance of arrest. You need to avoid that branch of John Lewis for a while though. Basically, John Lewis's security people will give your details to either a firm like Retail Loss prevention or DWF solicitors who will then write to you with scary-sounding letters to frighten you into paying them some kind of penalty. They have no legal power and can't take you to court, only John Lewis can. Last time we saw a retailer in court against shoplifters, it went very badly for them and we haven't seen a case like that since - over 10 years ago. But you need to figure out why you did this. If you need support, talk to your GP and aske them. They will have heard it all before and won't judge you. Best, HB  
    • In addition to the information you've been given above, I suggest that you spend some time reading up on the stories on this sub- forum. There is a lot of information about suing as an entitled third-party. Take a couple of days – and by Monday you will be much more confident. More in control and you will have fewer questions to ask but the questions that you do think up will probably be more relevant and more interesting to your case. Do the reading. This is always an essential first step   Additionally please can you give us more details. What was the item, was it correctly declared, was the value correctly declared, what was the value that was declared? Very importantly what date did you send it?
    • I got caught today shoplifting some shampoo & conditioner at John Lewis. I felt absolutely awful. The people were quite nice as I returned the items without any hesitation, gave them my name, address & DOB. They did not ask for official ID, and let me go after taking my picture and then handing me a paper saying I am banned for life. I just now read on the paper that they may share my details with third parties (police) and am extremely stressed. I've previously shoplifted, not at this John Lewis but others of their stores (an absolutely horrible habit made worse by cost of living crisis).... How likely is it that they will actually start an investigation for this offense? May I get arrested for this? While I was in the backroom, the security was quite nice and told me that no police would be involved unless I broke my ban.
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You can claim your cashback, even if you didn't stick to the rules!!!!


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Well - if you go down the route of obtaining a Judgement, you need to cover the usual bases, keep copies of everything you send, and be able to supply copies of any 'missing' documents. Also have an independent person review the actual contents of the letter as sent, so there is no issue over whether the items were included or not. Finally, all claims need to be submitted by Recorded Delivery which confirms delivery. For all you know, those who HAVE been paid have taken these basic steps and ensured payment!

 

Hmmm. Well, did one of these things - sent the item by recorded delivery !!!!

 

Didnt have the contents check (obviously!) or copy ALL the documents I sent (did copy the bills)...

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In that case they cannot deny delivery, so why not write back saying you have copies of all the information sent, so whatever they feel is missing now or in the future, you'll be happy to send on an additional copy. Also add, 'For the avoidance of doubt, I will am fully asserting my rights under your cashback agreement and will not be responsible for errors on your part."

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Give up?

 

The firms that offer these schemes never had any intention of paying out - when they could reasonably disallow making a payment due to non-compliance, they very quickly realised they were in such a strong position and made more money by wrongfully invalidating claims, most folk ended up letting them get away with it.

 

I'd like to go on and say if you hold out for your 'rights' you will be rewarded, but the bottom line is as they had never any intention of paying out, it is not an error you are trying to rectify, but an attempt to change their policy and enforce a payment that they will do everything in their power to resist, even if it means them going bust, as many have done.

Yet again, Busby blunders on to ignore the blindingly obvious in his ongoing tacit support for the phone companies. READ: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/telecoms-mobile-fixed/109344-defeat-county-ct-cashback.html?highlight=lethem

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Yet again, Busby blunders on to ignore the blindingly obvious in his ongoing tacit support for the phone companies. READ: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/telecoms-mobile-fixed/109344-defeat-county-ct-cashback.html?highlight=lethem

 

Unfortunately for our 'analyst' friend he's only quoted the first part of the thread. Anyone reading on will note that this was a one-off decision by a DISTRICT judge and does nothing to help those who were blinded by marketing promises to get out of the arrangement. Since the bulk of the folk who have not been successful in getting their cashback claims met, taking a fly-by-night to court is just the right way to waste even more money.

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  • 4 months later...

Onestopphoneshop has rejected 2 of my claims on the basis :

1st claim - didn't send the original bill, though the wellcome pack says photo copy is acceptable but terms and cond (received via email ) asks for the original

2nd claim - Onestopphoneshop is saying that i've send the bill early, should've waited for the bill which comes after 180 days.

 

Could anyone please advise me whether I have any chance of getting this back, if I take a legal action. And should I be making application for small claim at county court for the total cashback amount as they are saying that future claims are invalid.

 

Many thanks

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Hi,

 

I have succesfully claimed against OneStopPhoneShop and got all my money back with interest and court small claim court fees.

 

DO NOT LISTEN TO BUZBE, he clearly seems to have a campaign to discourage people from getting their money back. He clearly seems to work on their behalf.

 

There are risks with getting your money back and it is a process that is annoying but you can do it.

 

They will make every attempt not to pay and you will need to it to small claims court. However, it is very unlikely that it will ever actually go to court. They are wrong and what they are doing is not legal. If they loose it can set a precedent and they would loose a lot of money.

 

Make sure you document everything and write good letters explaining your legal standpoint and explaining the risk they run in taking this further.

 

Also, send a copy of this from the FSA about complex claim rules:

http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/other/axa_undertaking.pdf

 

Even though they are not FSA regulated this shows what legal experts think about rules like this and could be used as a precedent.

 

Good luck.

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