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    • Honestly you are all amazing on this site, thank you so much for your help and time. ill keep an eye out and only return when i receive a claim letter for sure also, i updated my address with amex and tsb before i even missed payments. the initial address was my family home but i dont reside there. to avoid a bombardment of letters there i have now updated my address, will they send all threats etc to the new address? Or old address?   do you reccomend i send both tsb and amex my update in address via a letter?
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I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. 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a joke..............someone told me that rover once made a decent car...........i knew he was a lier

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a joke..............someone told me that rover once made a decent car...........i knew he was a lier

 

But Rover were at least literate ;)

 

Anyway - Rover have made many decent cars. The 75 is a good car. The SD1 - V8 (and four and six cylinder) hatcback from the 70s - was a very good car. The P6 series, especially the P6B, was fantastic. The P4 and P5 (Auntie) Rovers were very highly regarded.

 

Even post British Leyland, the Rover 213/216s were a very competent reworking of the Honda they were based on; the Maestro was actually a very competent car, the Metro went from 1980 to 1997 and remained a capable and useful small car - which they were unable to adequately replace. The MG F handles and rides exceptionally well, the Streetwise is remarkably well suited to urban driving yet hangs on on a quick B-road like a hot hatch...

 

Still. Don't let that spoil your impressions of Rover.

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Lets not make fun of users on here, it doesnt help the OP.

 

Did you have a specific query about Rover Paul?

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Yes the late 60s and early 70s were good.

Like a lot of cars the metal was thicker the paintwork better and the engines were good.

They were quite competitive then too.

The rover 2000 was a classic and the same engines fitted in the Triumphs.

 

Of course cars then had lots of character (not all looking the same as today)

 

Todays cars are all designed on computer and thats why they all look similar as computers will inevitably come up with the same shapes when considering efficiency economy drag factors etc.

 

 

Its nice to see some of the old rovers on the road

 

British engineering at its best.

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Lets not make fun of users on here, it doesnt help the OP.

 

Did you have a specific query about Rover Paul?

 

Fair point, but I don't think that this is an appropriate place for people to troll for reactions by slagging off any car maker they don't like. Hence my extended discussion elsewhere with someone who may have a valid reason for their campaign against the Freelander, but seemed to be utterly unwilling to actually back it up with facts, only hearsay and 'bloke down the pub' expertise.

 

The OP didn't have a point, clearly, and was merely posting that they thought Rovers were rubbish without any actual purpose. I think many French cars are a bit crap, but I wouldn't choose to start a thread about something so generic in a consumer forum ;)

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Yes the late 60s and early 70s were good.

Like a lot of cars the metal was thicker the paintwork better and the engines were good.

They were quite competitive then too.

The rover 2000 was a classic and the same engines fitted in the Triumphs.

 

Of course cars then had lots of character (not all looking the same as today)

 

Todays cars are all designed on computer and thats why they all look similar as computers will inevitably come up with the same shapes when considering efficiency economy drag factors etc.

 

One of the reasons I chose my RX8 - it's pretty anonymous really, but the technology is different at least!

 

Wasn't the same engine in the Triumph and Rover, though - the Triumph 2000 engine was a straight six, the Rover 2000 P6 was a four cylinder, and the SD1 2300/2600 was only related to the Triumph 2.5, it was altered quite a lot. The Rover SD1 2000 offered in some markets used an O-series (Princess/Ambassador etc.) engine.

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well i'm looking to buy a rover for my first car as they are cheap, so are spare parts. also living in birmingham means i know a fair few people who know these cars inside and out!

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well i'm looking to buy a rover for my first car as they are cheap, so are spare parts. also living in birmingham means i know a fair few people who know these cars inside and out!

 

I reckon the Streetwise diesel would be a fantastic first car, and they're insanely cheap for what you get.

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One of the reasons I chose my RX8 - it's pretty anonymous really, but the technology is different at least!

 

Wasn't the same engine in the Triumph and Rover, though - the Triumph 2000 engine was a straight six, the Rover 2000 P6 was a four cylinder, and the SD1 2300/2600 was only related to the Triumph 2.5, it was altered quite a lot. The Rover SD1 2000 offered in some markets used an O-series (Princess/Ambassador etc.) engine.

 

Thanks for correcting me Richard

 

Must be getting mixed up...I knew a guy who had both Im sure he swapped engines between the 2.

 

On the subject he also had a dolomite sprint (think that was an 1800 twin carb)

 

At the time he reckoned it to be the fastest thing he ever bought.

 

Personally I always fancied a BMW 3.0 si at that time was reportedly the fastest 4 door production car in the world.

Could never afford 1 tho.

 

I recently saw 1 for sale for a couple of hundred quid.........as I drooled over it the missus came up behind me and said "noooooo way "she said it was looking old fashioned and its chrome bumpers were flaking !!!

 

Oh well...............................

 

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Thanks for correcting me Richard

 

Must be getting mixed up...I knew a guy who had both Im sure he swapped engines between the 2.

 

On the subject he also had a dolomite sprint (think that was an 1800 twin carb)

 

At the time he reckoned it to be the fastest thing he ever bought.

 

Personally I always fancied a BMW 3.0 si at that time was reportedly the fastest 4 door production car in the world.

Could never afford 1 tho.

 

Well, he could have had V8 engined Rovers, and done a V8 transplant into the Innsbruck/Triumph 2000; lots of Triumph Stags have Rover V8s in place of the Triumph unit, and the Stag/2000 are closely related (especially in looks - imagine if they'd made a V8 powered Triumph estate!).

 

The Sprint was a great car; I think they're 2.0 but the engine is related to the 1850 and Saab units. TR7s with a Sprint engine are the car BL should have been selling in the very late 70s.

 

Those BMWs are a rarity. You should stand up for your right to own a silly car once in a while; I've got the RX8 partly because I knew I had to own a rotary car at some point, and figured one with a warranty would be best ;) - as it happens, they're fantastic cars anyway.

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Interesting Richard.

 

My brother worked for VAG and owned an NSU RO80 in fact he still has 1.

 

I remember this car was amazing and the shape for 1973 was years ahead of its time.

 

Only problem was the rotors which NSU could not seem to sort out.

Average engine life for a RO was 17000 miles.

 

A few people put the V6 FORD into them but it was not the same.

 

Mazda however seemed to get it right.

 

If I could get my hands on a RO80 I think I would probably buy one.

 

Theres lots sitting around in garages but like my brother..........people simply wont part with them !!

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Fair point, but I don't think that this is an appropriate place for people to troll for reactions by slagging off any car maker they don't like. Hence my extended discussion elsewhere with someone who may have a valid reason for their campaign against the Freelander, but seemed to be utterly unwilling to actually back it up with facts, only hearsay and 'bloke down the pub' expertise.

 

The OP didn't have a point, clearly, and was merely posting that they thought Rovers were rubbish without any actual purpose. I think many French cars are a bit crap, but I wouldn't choose to start a thread about something so generic in a consumer forum ;)

 

Its not the bloke down the pub nor is it heresay as you suggest but based on considerable data supplied from a few hundred owners from around the world who know about us such as UK, USA, EUROPE, ASIA M/EAST, S/Africa OZ, NZ who have joined together to bring LR to book. There is legal taking action already taking place both here & abroad

 

Also the tech data is supplied by highly qualified engineers some of whom have worked for Power Train who supplied the K series engine &the research.

 

If you own a Freelander & would like to be privy to our data then feel free to join us it costs nowt membership is free.

 

The evidence of what I say is scattered all over the web so I suggest you take the time & look before trying to be superior. This might be a good place to start. Mind you it'll you take a bit its over 1,300 posts long & its all about one subject the LandRover Freelander. Never mind though if you can't be bothered there are plenty of other sites for you to look at.

 

http://forums.preloved.co.uk/fuseaction-forums.showdiscussion/thread_id-10411/4cf87374.html

 

& here's a couple more:cool:

 

http://home.austarnet.com.au/edwardsonline/freelanderheadgasket/

 

http://www.complaints.com/march2003/complaintoftheday.march10.11.htm

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Its not the bloke down the pub nor is it heresay as you suggest but based on considerable data supplied from a few hundred owners from around the world

 

I'm sorry, I thought it was 1/3rd of Freelanders that you claimed had this issue. I don't think 'a few hundred' or even 1,300 (not individuals, merely the number of posts) would constitute 1/3rd of even the K-series powered Freelanders sold in a year.

 

This is a consumer forum, to help consumers. If you have facts, post them here and actually help some people, instead of trying to spread FUD.

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Never mind though if you can't be bothered there are plenty of other sites for you to look at.

 

http://forums.preloved.co.uk/fuseaction-forums.showdiscussion/thread_id-10411/4cf87374.html

 

Argh. There's nothing so infuriating as a forum of 'experts'.

 

Here's a good example:

 

"I purchased a Year 2000 V Reg 1.8 Xei 5 door Freelander 8 weeks ago with 34700 miles on the clock from a approved RAC dealer with a so called 5 star Rac waranty. I have driven the car a total of 800 miles and on Wednesday I was on the motorway, doing 70 mph. I heard some knocking, so pulled over (no warning lights or temperature increases noted) and there was oil all down the side of the car - head gasket failure."

 

The response, from DavidBristol, is "Get rid of it".

 

8 weeks. That's two months. That's pure and simple Trading Standards territory. Return car to dealer as unfit for purpose. It doesn't matter what LR are doing or anyone else (it's a six-year old car that it looks like they paid well over the odds for - impressive, since traders aren't touching Freelanders).

 

And the number of people who have managed to ignore things like temperature gauges and drive until the car's engine has boiled every liquid available to it is astounding.

 

Elsewhere, the same idiocy. A man taking his reconditioned engine back to LandRover and expecting them to do something about it. Another saying they're going to have to scrap the car and lose £4,500 (in which case, surely it would make sense to replace the engine with a recon unit for £2,000 and lose £2,000, instead). Irwin Mitchell's dropped group action (wonder why they dropped it...).

Bank of Scotland - £4000+ returned. Scottish resident, scottish accounts, but it's Halifax Bank of Scotland now, so took 'em to court in Halifax. One small claims, one defence filed, one refund of all charges + interest! Done and dusted.

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Argh. There's nothing so infuriating as a forum of 'experts'.

 

Here's a good example:

 

"I purchased a Year 2000 V Reg 1.8 Xei 5 door Freelander 8 weeks ago with 34700 miles on the clock from a approved RAC dealer with a so called 5 star Rac waranty. I have driven the car a total of 800 miles and on Wednesday I was on the motorway, doing 70 mph. I heard some knocking, so pulled over (no warning lights or temperature increases noted) and there was oil all down the side of the car - head gasket failure."

 

The response, from DavidBristol, is "Get rid of it".

 

8 weeks. That's two months. That's pure and simple Trading Standards territory. Return car to dealer as unfit for purpose. It doesn't matter what LR are doing or anyone else (it's a six-year old car that it looks like they paid well over the odds for - impressive, since traders aren't touching Freelanders).

 

And the number of people who have managed to ignore things like temperature gauges and drive until the car's engine has boiled every liquid available to it is astounding.

 

Elsewhere, the same idiocy. A man taking his reconditioned engine back to LandRover and expecting them to do something about it. Another saying they're going to have to scrap the car and lose £4,500 (in which case, surely it would make sense to replace the engine with a recon unit for £2,000 and lose £2,000, instead). Irwin Mitchell's dropped group action (wonder why they dropped it...).

 

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Apart from the fact that most did not knowingly lose their oil or water as you seem to be claiming or at the very least not checking ignores the fact that in many cases the failure is sudden & without warning. In instances where there have been signs the garages have been unable to find out why there is a loss of coolant & have advised them to continue to use their vehicle later causing even more damage.

What I find amazing is that you yourself remark that the number of owners who have lost all of the coolant & oil is outstanding. Now unless your claiming they are all idiots I would have thought to anyone with any common sense this alone would have at the very least raised some concerns about the Freelander

The reason Dave from Bristol was saying "get rid" was because he through the benefit of the web knows it wont be the last failure for this vehicle. You probably only selected part of his post anyway

You dont make it clear whether you quoting someone or not but if you are are you saying "matter for trading standards pure & simple"

Most of these are & I reccomend at least reporting the seller to TS but have you ever dealt with them? Almost everyone has been to TS & they do squat. No photo op I suppose.

Also suggest you phone a trader & try & flog him a Freelander without a trade in. Many of the owners have without success.

You ignore those owners who have had multiple failures, & are you claiming they didn't keep an eye on their levels. Of course they did but to know avail.

The only reason the guys engine was a recon is because that's what LR fitted. They don't have any "NEW" engines & why should the owner be expected to have any less of a claim. In the case of the person saying they are going to lose over £4,000 you say it would make sense to pay to fit a recon engine costing £2,000.(it'll be a damsight more than that from LR more like 5,000) Anyway what planet you on.... the whole point is the owner hasn't even got £2,000 & if he did don't you think he would have done that

Irwin Mitchell didn't drop the case as you put it whilst trying to hint they must have been no cause to answer. What actually happened was that an agreement was reached before action with Rover that they would rectify the problems so there was no reason to issue

 

 

I would also remind you that LR until exposed on Watchdog charged owners up to £7,000 for replacing diesel engines in the Discovery claiming the problem was owner abuse. It was later found that the problem was not owner abuse but the failure of the factory to secure a bolt retaining the oil pump which fell away causing the oil flow to stop resulting in catastrophic damage. Landrover knew this all along & that fact is in the public domain They conned owners into paying thousands for replacment engines whilst hiding the truth

The 1/3 was not my figure it was quoted by a dealer when trying to flog a Freelander after the customer raised the matter of failing HG's Mines much greater

The reason the temp gauge doesn't register is because at some point before a complete loss of coolant & overheating there's nowt to read. Simple but took a while to figure out as to why so many owners where saying the temp gauge didn't give any warning.

Your right this is a site to help consumers & I posted here in order to spread the word to other disheartened owners that they aren't alone & have somewhere to go for help

Also find me another forum that has only run for about year but continues to get hits about the same subject on a daily basis.

As for our data either join us or wait until its published later this year

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Apart from the fact that most did not knowingly lose their oil or water as you seem to be claiming or at the very least not checking ignores the fact that in many cases the failure is sudden & without warning. In instances where there have been signs the garages have been unable to find out why there is a loss of coolant & have advised them to continue to use their vehicle later causing even more damage.

 

If there is a loss of coolant and the garage can't find out why, I take it to a different garage. Coolant shouldn't be lost, and when a car starts losing coolant, I change the head gasket - regardless of car type - before it overheats and does further damage. There's no such thing as "without warning" on a headgasket; a touch more white smoke from the exhaust is enough for me to check it.

 

What I find amazing is that you yourself remark that the number of owners who have lost all of the coolant & oil is outstanding. Now unless your claiming they are all idiots I would have thought to anyone with any common sense this alone would have at the very least raised some concerns about the Freelander

 

Whilst it wouldn't be unkown for me to suggest that most of western civilisation is comprised of idiots; I'm not saying that the Freelander is free of issues - I am saying that you are ignoring the fact that SOME owners are going to be idiots, some garages are going to be crooked or incompetent, and FWIW, the Freelander (like most urban SUVs - Discoveries, X5s and the like) attracts a particularly solipsistic, mechanically unaware and misinformed demographic.

 

The reason Dave from Bristol was saying "get rid" was because he through the benefit of the web knows it wont be the last failure for this vehicle. You probably only selected part of his post anyway

 

Nothing else in his post had further information, TBH - it wasn't selective quoting, it was a convenient summary. 6 or 7 posts later, someone posted the correct advice.

 

You dont make it clear whether you quoting someone or not but if you are are you saying "matter for trading standards pure & simple"

 

No quote marks = it's me saying that.

 

Most of these are & I reccomend at least reporting the seller to TS but have you ever dealt with them? Almost everyone has been to TS & they do squat. No photo op I suppose.

 

Yes, I have as it happens. Over something which personally I'd consider 'experience', but figured was worth a shot - my gf's Scorpio, bought at £2K below retail (but, at the price advertised at the dealer), one owner, FSH, 110K miles. For three months the dealer happily replaced items but ignored consistent complaints and requests for steering wander/tracking issues to be investigated, even when it was made clear that the work would be paid for (they spend over £800 in parts replacing items free, like the plastic inlet manifold which is prone to cracking at the thermostat housing. Better start a class action for that, eh?) - eventually claiming to have checked it and found nothing wrong, two weeks later the very same garage failed it on excessive play in the balljoints.

 

They had even declared a fault with suspension that was supposed to have been sorted before collection of the vehicle; they were somewhat short of legs to stand on. Technically I could have got them on another car I bought as a 'trade sale'; a 1990 Toyota Sera with 60K miles on it (that's calculated from the KM reading) that one week after I'd got it... blew the head gasket, costing (£500 quote; £1,800 with my decision to have the engine fully rebuilt). As an 11 year old, imported, used car with no history, sold as an (unlawful) 'trade sale', I thought that it might be a little churlish to demand they rectified it You probably think differently, and I bet the bulk of LR Freelander owners would too ;)

 

Also suggest you phone a trader & try & flog him a Freelander without a trade in. Many of the owners have without success.

 

Sorry, that doesn't make sense. Do you mean flog him a Freelander for cash? No excrement! Traders don't buy for the money most Freelander owners think their vehicles are worth; as I've said before, Glass' guide is nonsense. Most traders simply aren't buying cars from private indivuduals unless they're insanely cheap; the dealers you see with 5-8 year old (and older) cars in their stock are underwriting older tradeins from main dealers primarily.

 

For a real benchmark, take a Freelander to auction and see how the traders bite. None of the trade auctions seem to publish results online, unfortunately.

 

You ignore those owners who have had multiple failures, & are you claiming they didn't keep an eye on their levels. Of course they did but to know avail.

 

I'm pretty much of the opinion that the multiple failure owners; at least the ones in rapid succession, are suffering at the hands of incompetent mechanics rather than any inherent fault in the K-series. Reusing the stretch bolts is a common problem, for a start.

 

The only reason the guys engine was a recon is because that's what LR fitted. They don't have any "NEW" engines & why should the owner be expected to have any less of a claim. In the case of the person saying they are going to lose over £4,000 you say it would make sense to pay to fit a recon engine costing £2,000.(it'll be a damsight more than that from LR more like 5,000) Anyway what planet you on.... the whole point is the owner hasn't even got £2,000 & if he did don't you think he would have done that

 

Calm down, dear ;)

 

First, nowhere did it state that the recon was fitted by LR; in fact the poster in question claims to have had the recon engine fitted AFTER the cost of a NEW engine from LR was quoted (about £4,000).

 

As for the owner having £2,000; that is neither here nor there. Scrapping the car for a blown head gasket is the sort of environmental and financial idiocy I'd expect, but are you seriously suggesting to me that scrapping a car 'worth' £4,500 because it needs potentially £4,000 work, but equaly feasibly £800 of second-hand K-series, £500 for a pre-emptive headgasket replacement with new bolts, and a few hours fitting? Even if they don't have the money for the work, they could probably come to an arrangement with a dealer, or get £1,000 for their car for spares or repair.

 

Irwin Mitchell didn't drop the case as you put it whilst trying to hint they must have been no cause to answer. What actually happened was that an agreement was reached before action with Rover that they would rectify the problems so there was no reason to issue

 

I wasn't hinting anything - I simply stated what information was presented ;)

 

I would also remind you that LR until exposed on Watchdog charged owners up to £7,000 for replacing diesel engines in the Discovery claiming the problem was owner abuse. It was later found that the problem was not owner abuse but the failure of the factory to secure a bolt retaining the oil pump which fell away causing the oil flow to stop resulting in catastrophic damage.

 

FYI, this engine isn't a K-series, or even remotely related to it ;)

 

Landrover knew this all along & that fact is in the public domain They conned owners into paying thousands for replacment engines whilst hiding the truth

 

The truth is out there. Sadly, it does appear to be sadly obscured here ;)

 

The 1/3 was not my figure it was quoted by a dealer when trying to flog a Freelander after the customer raised the matter of failing HG's Mines much greater

 

You're telling me that you personally know of over 100,000 failed headgaskets on Freelanders (assuming around 350,000 have been produced based on available figures).

 

The reason the temp gauge doesn't register is because at some point before a complete loss of coolant & overheating there's nowt to read. Simple but took a while to figure out as to why so many owners where saying the temp gauge didn't give any warning.

 

As that stage, the car surely wouldn't be running correctly. Aside, most temp sensors I've used read high even if there is no coolant, taking a reading from the surrounding metal or air within the system. Also, the A/C or heater will exhibit problems.

 

Your right this is a site to help consumers & I posted here in order to spread the word to other disheartened owners that they aren't alone & have somewhere to go for help. Also find me another forum that has only run for about year but continues to get hits about the same subject on a daily basis. As for our data either join us or wait until its published later this year

 

You are aware of Google and the power of complaints, right? Specifically, any forum dealing with complaints about a product will be seen to have high traffic; the one with the most complaints will get the most traffic. Even if that owner has a holed radiator, they will then read all this, and think "Ohnoes! My headgasket is going!". And then ignore the real issue, and overheat the car (or get ripped off for a new headgasket, or in a good outcome, go to the dealer and have the actual fault identified and a new radiator fitted).

 

Publish it here. You want to help consumers, then stop using mystery and scare tactics. Frankly, I've noticed a lot of K-series bashing going on from people who have no connection; like slagging off iPods, it seems to be trendy with people who think they know a bit. I appreciate that your motivation is much stronger than that, but really, I'm wondering if this is all a co-incidence, or the fact that the Chinese now own the rights to the engine is resulting in a massive attempt to discredit a lightweight, well designed powerplant with high specific output and IN THE MAJORITY OF CASES, no problems.

 

Suggest you post your views on the Preloved forum or any other Freelander forum for that matter

 

I don't own a Freelander; you're welcome to post my comments there verbatim if you wish.

 

As far as this non-specific forum goes; I am more than happy to help with anyone's issues with a car - K-series or otherwise - and will not indulge in targeted campaigns of biased or misleading information. Sorry. Most cars have issues, and when someone posts about a K-series issue, I personally will offer advice based on their problem, directly, and I'll ask them about THEIR issue, not tell them what THEIR issue might be (I'm still astounded that you followed up a thrown-rod post with a bunch of stuff about headgaskets).

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There I was, casually surfing through the forum to see what was going on, and I stumbled on this thread... Guys, you really need to get out more.

 

Incidentaly, the only Rover I ever owned was a Montego, which I pushed off a cliff.;)

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if a k series suffers coolant loss the temp gauge wont respond in time to prevent the engine failing as the sender wont be immersed anymore. in a noisy car like a 214 at motorway speeds you probably wont hear anything until its too late. the alternator shed a fan blade which punctured a coolant hose, but as i was doing 70 there was no steam, the first symptom i got was power loss and by then the damage was done, when i put a new head gasket on the big ends started knocking under light loads and by this time i had enough and took a hammer to the car and carted it off to the scrappys as it had already and i put it down to experience. ive nothing but praise for the 2.0 diesel rovers though.

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