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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. 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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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MET CCTV PCN - Starbucks closed- Southgate Park, Stansted CM24 1PY


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1 Date of the infringement 14th April 2024

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 17th April 2024

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s

3 Date received 20th April 2024

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] N

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? ANPR photos of vehicle in and out (although as they were taken at night they don’t show much).

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] N

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up  N

7 Who is the parking company? MET Parking

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Southgate Park, Stansted CM24 1PY

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. Independent Appeals Service POPLA  - BPA Logo is on NTK

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here. N/A

Hi,

As keeper, I have received a PNC from MET Parking over the vehicle being parked in the infamous Stansted Starbucks/Mcdonald’s car park(s).

The vehicle was parked outside Starbucks (at night, when it was closed) and the driver went into Mcdonalds. However, the driver wishes to appeal due to the poor and misleading unlit signage, and believes that this PNC is unfair. I am sure you are aware of this company/car park, and I would appreciate any advice on this matter.

Kind regards

PNC 14.04.2024.pdf

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Thanks for filling in the sticky and uploading the PCN straight away - we wish everyone who comes here would do that!

You refer to the site as "infamous".  You're right.  It's a scam site.  It's been exposed as a scam site in the national press and on national TV.

There's no point appealing.  You'd be appealing to the very people who set up the scam!

We have around 130 cases for this site.  In not one have MET dared pursue the Cagger all the way to a court hearing.

We could do with some help from you.

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The PCN does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. because it is within the airport boundary and subject to Bye Laws. Therefore the keeper cannot be held liable for the charge so only the driver is now liable. As they do not know who was driving they are going to  struggle. so do not help them by appealing.

Also as Starbucks was closed by charging £100 that is a penalty since Met has no legitimate interest in pursuing the charge.. As it is a penalty the case would be thrown out should it get as far as Court. 

Met make a fortune from those who blindly pay so there is no need to risk Court.

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There have been developments today on Quaker6's thread re Starbucks/EuroGarages.

We could do with some help from you.

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Many thanks for the replies and advice!

I what to send this email to the Starbucks CEO and the area manager.

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

[email protected]

[email protected]

Re: MET Parking PNC at your Starbucks Southgate site

Dear Ms Rayner, / Dear Heather Christie,

I have received a Notice to Keeper regarding a Parking Charge Notice of £100 for the driver parking in the Southgate Park Car Park, otherwise infamously known as the Stanstead Starbucks/McDonalds car park(s).

Issued by: MET Parking Services Ltd

Parking Charge Notice Number: XXXXXXXXX

Vehicle Registration Number: XXXX XXX

Date of Contravention: XX.XX.XXXX

Time: XX:XX - XX:XX

After a little research it appears that the driver is not alone in being caught in what is commonly described as a scam, and has featured in the national press and on the mainstream television.

It is a shame that the reputation of Starbucks is being tarnished by this, with your customers leaving the lowest possible reviews on Trustpilot and Trip Advisor at this location, and to be associated with what on the face of it appears to be a dubious and predatory car park management company.

In this instance, during the early hours of the morning the driver required a coffee and parked up outside Starbucks with the intention of purchasing one from yourselves. Unfortunately, you were closed so the driver walked to McDonalds next door and ordered a coffee, and for this I have received the Notice to Keeper.

It is claimed that the car park is two separate car parks (Starbucks/McDonalds). However, there is no barrier or road markings to identity a boundary, and the signage in the car park(s) and outside your property is ambiguous, as such the terms would most likely be deemed unfair and unenforceable under the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

I understand that Starbucks-Euro Garages neither operate or benefit from the charges imposed by MET Parking. However, MET Parking is your client.

Additionally, I understand that the charge amount of £100 had previously been upheld in court due to a ‘legitimate interest in making sure that a car park was run as efficiently as possible to benefit other drivers as well as the local stores, keeping cars from overstaying’.

However, this is not applicable when the shop or store is closed (as was the case here), as there is no legitimate interest. Therefore, the amount demanded is a penalty and is punitive, again contravening the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

As the driver’s intention of the visit was genuine, I would be grateful if you could please instruct your client to cancel this Notice to Keeper/Parking Charge Notice as I understand you have kindly done in similar cases in the past.

Kind regards

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Your letter is superb.

A couple of months ago it would have led to instant victory.

The problem is that since then there has been a tsunami of these cases and Starbucks have got fed up.

However. nothing ventured ...

I've made a little addition in red above so they know that you know that they have the power to intervene and have done so numerous times in the past.

 

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2 hours ago, Hikertrash said:

Additionally, I understand that the charge amount of £100 had previously been upheld in court due to a ‘legitimate interest in making sure that a car park was run as efficiently as possible to benefit other drivers as well as the local stores, keeping cars from overstaying’.

However, this is not applicable when the shop or store is closed (as was the case here), as there is no legitimate interest. Therefore, the amount demanded is a penalty and is punitive, again contravening the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

Not sure whether this should be included?

It may get back to MET and tip them off to something you may use in a WS further down the line.

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agreed.

and the letter needs spellchecking !!

done it now for you. 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi all,

Many thanks for the advice!

Unfortunately, the reply to the email was as expected…

 

Starbucks UK Customer Care <[email protected]>

Hi xxxxxx,

We are sorry to read you received a parking charge after using our Stansted Airport - A120 DT store.

Unfortunately, the car park here is managed by MET parking. Both Starbucks and EuroGarages who own and operate this site are not able to help and have no authority to overturn any parking charges received.

If you have followed the below terms then you would need to send all correspondence to [email protected], who will be able to assist you further. Several signs around the car park clarify the below terms and conditions:

• Maximum stay 60 minutes, whilst the store is open. If the store is closed, pay to park applies.

• The car park is for Starbucks customers only who make a purchase in our store, a charge will be issued if you left the site.

• If you had made a purchase and required additional time, you must have inputted your registration number into the in store iPad which would have extended your stay up to 3 hours

• To park in a disabled bay, you must have displayed a valid disabled badge.

• If Starbucks was closed, you must have paid for parking as charges still apply, following signage located on site.

• If you didn’t use the store, you must have paid for parking, following signage located on site

Please ensure all further correspondence is directed to MET parking at the above email address, and accept our apologies that we cannot help you further on this matter. 

Kind Regards, 

Lora K 

Customer Care Team Leader

Starbucks Coffee Company, Building 4 Chiswick Park, London, W4 5YE

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Sadly Starbucks have taken this line over the last couple of months after initially being cooperative.

Just sit on your hands now - but make sure to come back here if MET ever send a Letter of Claim.

We have over 130 cases for this site.  MET have only done court seven times.  Even then, they have never had the bottle to continue till the court hearing.

We could do with some help from you.

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13 hours ago, Hikertrash said:

• Maximum stay 60 minutes, whilst the store is open. If the store is closed, pay to park applies.

• The car park is for Starbucks customers only who make a purchase in our store, a charge will be issued if you left the site.

• If you had made a purchase and required additional time, you must have inputted your registration number into the in store iPad which would have extended your stay up to 3 hours

• To park in a disabled bay, you must have displayed a valid disabled badge.

• If Starbucks was closed, you must have paid for parking as charges still apply, following signage located on site.

• If you didn’t use the store, you must have paid for parking, following signage located on site

Is all of this actually on the signage? Don't remember seeing that much detail on other threads.

We could do with some help from you.

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Would it be worth while to appeal in order to obtain the POPLA reference?
I know the appeal to MET will not be successful but surely an appeal through POPLA could be?

The first clearly visible sign as you pull in to the car park states “McDonald’s Customers Only 60 minutes”

The next clearly visible sign is an almost identical sign outside Starbucks which states “60 minutes free stay for customers only”

There are other signs towards the rear of the car park (away from the outlets) that have the terms and conditions on them in very small print.

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14 minutes ago, Hikertrash said:

I know the appeal to MET will not be successful but surely an appeal through POPLA could be?

Well, it's up to you.

Years & years & years ago the forum used to suggest appealing to POPLA, but then AFAIK POPLA's remit was changed and it became much more biased in favour of the PPCs.

One of the problems with taking that route is that the onus will fall on you to prove your appeal, while if you do nothing the onus is on MET to start legal action which experience teaches they are very, very reluctant to do.

If you go down the POPLA route I would think your ace would be insufficient signage.  Are you able to go back there and get photos of their rubbish, entrapping signs?

We could do with some help from you.

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