2024-01-11 Harrow PCN - Stopping in a Box Junction

[onestressedwoman]

They haven't given me that option only

 

Pay us or your going to court 

[dx100uk]

On 21/02/2024 at 14:00, dx100uk said:

photo shows you followed another car into the box, so as i've said several times, you are on the backfoot here already as you should not have done that anyway.

are these the people you have appealed too?

Environment and Traffic Adjudicators | London Tribunals

if not you should do so.

Council PCN's were decriminalised years ago, there are no 'court proceedings'?? 

scan up this letter please

[onestressedwoman]

I haven't been given a verification code for me to be able to appeal there ?

I've uploaded letter below 

 

Harrow Parking Representations Officer reply.pdf

[Nicky Boy]

They are still saying right at the end of the letter that "you can view CCTV evidence of your case online"...?????

Crazy!

The letter (1st page) also says that the email they sent on 15 Jan gave you an email to contact for the CCTV footage.

I've looked at your post on the 15th Jan quoting from that email, and you don't mention the email contact details.

Maybe check what the original email says again?

[onestressedwoman]

Nicky Boy

 

No CCTV online as checked by other members of CAG . Still photo turned up on 21/2 

 

I did email CCTV operations no response.

No rejection letter toy informal appeal no contact from them until I emailed them on 21/2

 

Does the PATAS not exist anymore as I didn't get notice of rejection I go no appeal paperwork - 

[dx100uk]

54 minutes ago, onestressedwoman said:

haven't been given a verification code for me to be able to appeal there ?

reply to harrow stating you wish a rejection letter to be issue so you can appeal to:

Online appeals | London Tribunals

WWW.LONDONTRIBUNALS.GOV.UK

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Important Notice The appellant portal will be unavailable due to planned maintenance between 8:00pm and 11:59pm on Thursday 1st February...

ensure you request all the info the above site lists as a requirement to use them.

read the link above carefully

[onestressedwoman]

Doing that right now DX thank you !

You know how stressed these things make me so I really appreciate your assistance !

P.S. I logged on again just to check no cctv has been added and nothing has been added on their systems

[onestressedwoman]

I have had a response, not giving me what I asked, just a duplicate of what was sent before but the dates on the letters have been altered now one is dated 

1st March received by post copied here 

4th of March never received

12th of March email l received 

No rejection notice, what on earth 

They are seriously bullying me now and they are removing my right to appeal what now?

[dx100uk]

i will guess this is too early for it to be a response to you wanting a rejection letter? you were sending thursday.?

or is it

50 minutes ago, onestressedwoman said:

removing my right to appeal

could be their rejection not removal..

[onestressedwoman]

Yes DX

I emailed them on Thursday

I called London Tribunal and outlined my case he was very nice and informed me without a charging certificate he has no way of knowing what stage this is at

he said I could forward what I have to them for them to look over it without an appeal of sorts or as I do not have documentation I need to bring it to them maybe wait till I get charge notice and appeal to the court ...

although he said that's long winded and on checking with his manager he informed me that the court would not issue anything to me without charging cert.

We discussed the option to go to a solicitor and get them to write the local authority a letter .. however this would be more costly than the Penalty charge notice.

Now it seems all I can do is write to my MP.

Honestly I want to tear my hair out !

It shouldn't be too soon for a reply to my request for a rejection letter as they wrote this letter to me today should it?

 

[onestressedwoman]

I can't cope with their nonsense anymore they have written to councillor saying that they have reviewed full cctv so why can't i see it? they are bullies nothing more

 

[onestressedwoman]

I've been told I can't do anything apart from pay them

they are not willing to provide CCTV???

they say in the first image uploaded I was in contravention

I have told them again my car is not in the box and is the one with the L shaped headlights ...

I'm speaking to imbeciles

[Nicky Boy]

1 hour ago, onestressedwoman said:

So I've been told

In writing, I hope.

[onestressedwoman]

Yes but they are still refusing to issue a rejection notice so I can't take it to the tribunal

 

[onestressedwoman]

DX I hope you're still reading this as I do you too Nicky boy

You wont believe this nonsense

they said no matter how far this goes I wont see CCTV, Cllr was a bit stand offish at first but after today omg!

Truthfully I was so stressed I was just going to log on and pay as the system had reset to £65 I was going allow them to bully me into paying.

However there was a box for me to appeal the ticket so I did !

I sent it through to the councillor the moment I had lodged the challenge.

Get this............. 5 minutes later I received an email copy of CCTV some 33 days after requesting it.

(I haven't watched it yet I've been in the hospital all day} 

I send a message to cllr to tell him they have finally sent through the CCTV ending my message they are jokers they really are.

Cllr responds saying " I've received this now too " ... he is as dumfounded with this as I am 

Email written to him says

" Following legislation, another 9 days must pass before we are allowed to register the PCN as the traffic Enforcement Centre and send out an order for recovery. They are likely to receive the document early April "

What on earth is going on here ???

[dx100uk]

now you need to view the CCTV footage within 9 days.

if the footage shows you entering the box (i'e following another car through it) when there was not enough room for you to fully exit the box when you entered it, then i recommend you pay it ASAP.

if the footage shows the box was TOTALLY CLEAR when you entered it, with enough room for you to completely exit it. then you should not pay it.

 

[Nicky Boy]

It sounds suspiciously like the process that's just been followed should be the regular way of doing things and they just screwed up the first time around?

[onestressedwoman]

DX - Nicky Boy

 

I followed the link and guess what is doesn't go to any CCTV just back to the images on PCN  But now it says payment £195 I'm going to scream now the ticket is £195 they are taking this straight to court aren't they 

WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON

[dx100uk]

tell the councillor/local MP

TfL don't do court.

yellow box infractions were decriminalised years ago.

You must not enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.