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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi everyone,

 

Ive just started a fight with Barclays, did so after reading the BBC article. Ive just found this forum, good to know there will be help along the way :D, although i hope this will be short and sweet.

 

I sent them the standard 14 day letter asking for just under £1k, the total amount that I have statements for over the last 6 years. I dont have 2005 statements. The reason I havn't asked for 2005 statemets is in hope they will be more likely to pay out quicker. 2005 is probably about £200.

 

Question 1. Was that a good idea?:-|

 

They have replied within 5 working days, saying they 'are sorry to hear im unhappy', and will 'let me (gee thanks!!) have an answer or update no later than 17th January'. A complaints procedure manual was enclosed.

 

Question 2. I do not want to wait untill 17th Jan, I want to file against them within 14 days of my original letter. Is this a good idea? Also, shouldi give them 14 'working' days?:-|

 

Question 3. If Barclays stall too much, or just annoy me more, and i decide to claim the full amount owed to me (re: 2005 aswell), will the fact that my original letter only claimed for £1k work against me?:|

 

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You can claim any of the maximum amount your entitled to within the six year period. All the charges you want to claim back, must be on you N1 claim form. If you ammend the claim to include the 2005 charges at a later date, you'll have to file in a form (N244 I think) and pay the appropriate fee (£35 I think).

 

You need to allow them 14 days to reply to your prelimary letter, and then an additional 14 days to reply to your letter before action. If the letter they have sent you is in reply to your LBA, you can start the claim process after the 14 days.

 

I doubt they will settle any quicker just by leaving out the 2005 charges.

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Hello fellows,

 

Happy new year to all.

 

I sent my first letter explaining that I believe charges to be illegal and asked for £1000 within 14 days or I take them to court. I received the standard letter saying they will reply no later than mid-january. They have now replied offering just under £500. Obviously this is not good enough. Whats next?:-|

 

Can someone confirm that i need to reply to barclays now, giving them 7 days or i will start court action (as posted by Karnevil earlier)?

 

I would also like to call them explaining i know i will win in court so they are better off just paying me all my money now. Is that a good idea? My offer letter is from Lynnette Jeffreys, anyone had any experience with her :confused:?

 

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just send them the next letter as showin the the FAQ - your looking for the, Ill accept as a partial settlement and will continue to persue the rest - letter

 

I wouldnt call them just yet, you'll probably just rattle them more!

 

My offer letter was from her, i sent the thanks ill accept but ill continue for the rest - she responded with the usual "if you sign it you cant continue your claim"

 

So i just went to MCOL as i had previously gave them 14 days and went on with my claim from there.

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Thinking the first hirdle would be the easiest, i was suprised when Barclays wrote saying i could not have access to all my info i had requested, 2000-03 they will not release, stating it in not classed as personal info when i have requested a breakdown of charges as against just the statments, [need to breakdown to be clear of what they have over charged for]2000-03 they will not give me this breakdown. wot to do now

any ideas????

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Abbey - owed £3260 - Paid up.

 

Barclays owed £2500 - Paid up.

 

Halifax, Mint & Egg - next on the hit list

 

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Thanks, found the templates, i cant see the last 3 replies in the thread but once I do you will all get +reputation from me:)

 

ill keep u updated on my progress!:D

 

Quick question, has a bank EVER won a case like this?

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Hi guys,

 

As expected Baclays have failed to improve their offer, infact they have failed to reply at all! Ive given them 14 days plus an extra couple, I'm happy to start the ball rolling on court action, but im a little confused...

 

Do i now fill in an N1 form or an MCOL form? Whats the difference?

Help, as always, is much appreciated.

 

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Do i now fill in an N1 form or an MCOL form? Whats the difference?

Help, as always, is much appreciated.

 

Thanks:)

 

You can fill out a paper N1 and hand it in at your local county court, or you can file one online with MCOL. If you use MCOL, you can check progress of your claim online.

 

Do an up to date spreadsheet/schedule of charges the day you start MCOL, so that you have an accurate figure to enter in the Particulars of claim(POC)with the 8% interest added on.

 

In the templates library youll find all the tips and info that you need to complete the Particulars of Claim/N1.

 

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hallo could you give me the abbey national address so i can send my first letter off asking for the 6 years accounts. can that be extended to about 10 years? also do you have access card address i have looked about this site but cannot find it,

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hallo could you give me the abbey national address so i can send my first letter off asking for the 6 years accounts. can that be extended to about 10 years? also do you have access card address i have looked about this site but cannot find it,

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Hi martin,

 

Please read over all the FAQ's, and then start your own thread in the relevant forum e.g Abbey.

 

Most people are only claiming 6 years, but there are a few exeptions of people going back even further.

 

 

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Hi guys and gals,

 

I've rejected an offer of 50% from my bank and have informed them of court action if the full amount is not received by a early Jan 07. That date has now expired and I wish to start a claim. Having spent hours reading all the faq's and notes (:!:highly recommended any newcomers, in fact, a must), I am In a position to send one more letter and start my claim.

 

My letter will be similar to the LBA, including a final notice of court action

(I previously said I would do it in early Jan. but I've been a bit busy), that I will be using a copy of Peter McNamara's BBC Radio interview comments. I will include a copy. Finally a request for a breakdown of the actual costs incurred to them by my 'transgressions' on the dates that I have been unlawfully charged. I think that should prepare me nicely, even if they refuse I have that as evidence I have tried to get this resolved between us.

 

 

1) I have not stuck to the date that I initially said I would commence a court claim. Will this adversely affect my case?

 

2) I am not claiming for the full amount from the past 6 years. I do not have my 2005 statements and I do not wish to get them, it is minimal. Will this adversely affect my case?

 

3) How cool is the CAG?:D

 

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Hey,

 

Doeas anyone have any advice on the two questions I asked yesterday? No response as yet and that is slightly worrying me :s

 

Have i put my case at risk??

 

I would really appreciate any informed advice beforeI send my letter tomorrow!

 

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I have not stuck to the date that I initially said I would commence a court claim. Will this adversely affect my case?

 

 

No, you were just giving them extra time to reconsider their position before you commenced action.

 

I am not claiming for the full amount from the past 6 years. I do not have my 2005 statements and I do not wish to get them, it is minimal. Will this adversely affect my case?

 

 

Not at all. My first claim with Lloyds TSB was for the first four years. After they settled I went back for the last two.

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Forgot to say, if you have already sent the LBA, I personally wouldn't bother sending another letter (up to you though). As to including evidence, again I wouldn't bother. Its very unlikely you'll get a settlement any earlier.

 

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