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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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Old 2019 Business Rent CCJ/CO. Later agreement to pay made. now being Litigated Again - is this allowed?


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hi.

My SIL just received a letter from burnley court from my son in laws previous landlord demanding £10k for outstanding rent for 2018.

he took my sil to court in 2021,

my sil didn't somehow attend the court and the claimant got charge on property.

eventually sil agreed to pay the sum of £22.5k  which was decided mutual agreement which was to be paid by instalments of £1000 pm. to clear his debt.

the agreement was signed by the landlord.

now after 10 months instalments been paid this was a bomb shell, as the new claim is asking for outstanding rent For 2018.

any help would be appreciated.

forgot add my sil finished the business in 2018 and no longer trade

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can you space that out a bit please using blank lines and sentences and better explanations, its a bit too brief on each point to understand properly.

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thanks dx100uk .

my son in law had a takeaway business until 2018

he struggled to pay rents and bills he closed the business in 2018.

in 2019 the landlord took him to court but he didn't attend and the claimant got a charge on his property.

after realizing the mistake SIL agreed to pay the £22500.

 now he's got this letter from court under a different name of landlord. (1st claim was Man+wife) this claim is wife+daughter (have i guessed right - dx) 

i hope i have put the relevant information thanks.

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not really no

doesnt make any sense at all.

letter from the court ...you mean an N1 Claimform for the same debt but now with different defendant names?

 

 

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Old 2019 Business Rent CCJ/CO. Later agreement to pay made. now being Litigated Again - is this allowed?

i will try and guess whats happened.

There was an original court claim around 2019 for outstanding business rent by the landlords whom were then a husband+wife team

Question: was your son in law was a SOLE TRADER or a Ltd Company? with his takeaway?

SIL did not contend nor attend and a CCJ+CO was granted

Question: is the home with the CO jointly owned please or not?

 

around october 2022 SIL signed an agreement with  'the landlords' to pay it off some £22.5K @£1000PCM, 

Question: who were the landlords at the time of signing the £22.5K@£1000PCM agreement?

since that time payments have been made.

recently a claimform has arrived from Burnley County Court for a £10k sum from 'the landlords' now Wife+daughter.

can you answer my 3 questions AND scan up the burnley form to PDF please (read our upload guide CAREFULLY)

to me it sounds quite legit as i bet the home with the CO is jointly owed.??

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1- husband and wife,  2. same husband and wife. 3,all the payments are made and up to date but, half way through the husband told to make payment in to his wife accounts.

i will try and scan the papers from burnley court. thanks for all the advice really appreciated.

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Can you provide the particulars of claim from claim1 and 2 (verbatim) ?

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trying to ill do it soon

 

There was an original court claim around 2019 for outstanding business rent by the landlords whom were then a husband+wife team - yes

Question: was your son in law was a SOLE TRADER or a Ltd Company? with his takeaway?  SOLE TRADER

SIL did not contend nor attend and a CCJ+CO was granted = no he didnt attend

Question: is the home with the CO jointly owned please or not? = jointly owned.

 

 

 

 

 

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use one multipage PDF ONLY

read upload

2 hours ago, bold said:

Question: is the home with the CO jointly owned please or not? = jointly owned.

then all they have is a useless restriction k charge which does not need paying even upon sale

he got had blind!!

should never have signed that agreement to pay the £22.5K which is why they are doing what they are now to try and guarantee their money, as the agreement signed after the 1st CCJ he can walk away from.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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we need the particulars of claim for both court claims please as one multipage pdf before we can help defend if you need too.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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could do with this new claimform from bromley too just the 1st page 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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none of the pages we need sadly.

we need the particulars of claim page for this new claim and the original 2019 claim

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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both are  blank

please follow our upload guide

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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why explain what is the problem

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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