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    • Right, my friend has just called me. He has indeed had to cancel bookings in the past from his end. There is a specific number for Booking.com that he calls.   After that Booking.com jump into action and contact you re refund and/or alternative accommodation. I suppose it's all logical - the party cancelling the booking has to inform Booking.com. So the gite owner needs to contact Booking.com on the cancellation number.
    • they are not FINES. you totally ignore all the silly fake civil restorative letters. they are totally powerless just the same as any DCA on any old debt. might be an idea to go have a chat with your GP in confidence as you recognise whats going on. dx  
    • pinging @Man in the middle looks to me you are on the correct track, you shouldn't need a sols. Programmable Search Engine (google.com) clickme^^ thread title updated dx  
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Received a letter re Tax credit overpayment from 2010-14 - sar had no data! *** Written Off***


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Hi

I'm hoping someone can give me some advice re. the above.

I received a letter a few weeks ago saying that I had been overpaid a total of just over £4000 in tax credits.  I did reply asking for proof of these overpayments and a SAR

All I've received so far is a reply to my letter  just stating the amounts owed and to ring them to organise repayment, and from the SAR I received a single page letter with 6 phone calls that were made back then.

My questions are why have they left it so long to pursue this? And do they not have to provide any proof at all as any records I had have long gone? I would be astounded if thats the case because they could go after any tom,dick or harry for whatever they want!

Many thanks in advance 👍

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Received a Tax credit overpayment from 2010-14

then thats not a compliant sar return.

some old phonecalls are not proof you owe anything.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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let it run.

see what they do.

plenty of like threads here to read

 

dx

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Received a letter re Tax credit overpayment from 2010-14 - sar had no data!

I've received another letter from HMRC repeating what they stated in the previous one.

I've replied stating that I dont consider one sheet of paper with 6 recorded phone calls on it proof or evidence that I owe this money so just knocked it back in their court. 

I have said that I'll be making a formal complaint so as to start the process of getting an adjudicator involved if needed. 

I'll update this thread as and when so that it might help someone else dealing with this people.

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there is a well documented period whereby HMRC farmed out debt collection and the only notes are from these 'scam' telephone calls by a DCA to supposed debtors.

there is rarely any data to prove what the dca was claiming.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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this is still ongoing.

A few weeks ago I received a full SAR response which included all letters, notices etc.

I've searched through them and cant find any copies of notices of overpayment which I'm lead to believe that they are supposed to provide within one month of the claim closing.

I've also raised a first tier complaint pointing this out but all I got back was yet another letter stating the amounts I allegedly owe blah blah blah.

I've now (hopefully) raised a tier 2 complaint asking them once again for evidence of these overpayments, not just their belief that I do, and hopefully get to put my case in front of an independent adjudicator.

All I want is evidence of these overpayments, not just their say so 😕

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GOOD WORK!!

 

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I thought I'd open this thread again to let others in a similar situation know what has happened since my tier 2 complaint.

I received an email today from an independent adjudicator. I've included the most relevant responses and, as you can see, I was successful in my complaint 👍

"It is clear there were unacceptable delays in us contacting you about your overpayments
and replying to your complaint. This poor service led to unnecessary worry and distress. I am sorry for this and to apologise for the concern caused"

"On 12 February 2024 the tax credit system automatically written off all of your outstanding tax credit overpayments"

Hopefully this will help inspire others to keep going and fight your case. 😊

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Received a letter re Tax credit overpayment from 2010-14 - sar had no data! **WON**

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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