UKPC 2xWindsceen PCN's appeals lost - now 2*Claimforms - West Middx Uni hospital twickenham road, isleworth, tw76af

[dx100uk]

On 23/05/2023 at 23:20, FTMDave said:

Slow down for a moment.

The fact you've done AOS twice is superb and the most important thing for now.

Your defences will just be a few generic lines and you have quite a while to do so.

The important document is your Witness Statements before the hearings, and it's great you are trying to gather evidence straight away, but you'll have months to do this.

I'm afraid it's form-filling in time for us!  Please complete

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/391121-have-you-received-a-parking-ticket-please-fill-this-out/

and also

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/393251-received-a-court-claim-from-a-private-parking-speculative-invoice-how-to-deal-with-it-hereupdated-dec-2021/

for the 2018 ticket.

Then start a new thread and do exactly the same for the 2020 ticket.

Sorry, but as the fleecers have issued two claims you'll probably end up with two different court dates so everything needs to be duplicated.

 

should not  be vanishing for 2 weeks without doing the above and reading like threads!!

 

dx

 

[Nicky Boy]

Standard defence is further down one of the stickies you really need to fill in.

Scroll down to Q2) How should I defend?

And you WILL need to put some time into reading up on other threads.

The guys will advise, but do not have the time to nursemaid.

[FTMDave]

8 hours ago, KOGE19 said:

I had a look and do not have the original PCNs. 

What happened?  Was your home burgled and all this paperwork stolen?

Surely you didn't throw the documentation away knowing you were in a legal dispute with a company for twice the amount of money they are quite prepared to sue for.

The fleecers might be cooperative and reply to the CPR requests, but they don't have to, a CPR request is just that, a request.

When you file your defences please remember to come here, tell us what you're doing, and let us know if the charlatans have replied to CPR.  If they haven't, the next step will be to SAR them, and then they will be legally obliged to reply.

 

[KOGE19]

Hello FTMDave, Nicky Boy and dx100uk,

Apologies for my delayed responses, I have been swamped by a lot of commitments and hence my delay in responses.

 

Re: the papework, none of them were preserved since its been 4-5 years since the original charges.

I have the copy of the appeals which marked my comments and UKPC and POPLA have agreed that it is beyond their control to monitor the car park entry, POPLA placed ownership on UKPC and UKPC have said they are not in control. If I understand correctly, the ownership is on them to prove that I was breaking the contract -  and the variation of that would be the points contested in court.

West Middlesex have asked UKPC to instruct DCB legal to stay the claims and DCB have confirmed that no further legal action will be taken  - do I need to submit a defence still, since I do not see any changes on the moneyclaim site, since the case still stands?

 

If I do have a defence, from what I read on the links provided, the defence is kept short(and there is not much of space).

 

Thanks,

G.

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

you MUST submit our defence regardless. dont fall for their BS.

 

might be better to scan up all these letters to one mass PDF suitably redacted of your pers details and their PCN ref no. and your reg no.

[dx100uk]

PLEASE URGENT

do this each claimform today

 

 

[FTMDave]

Oh dear.  I can see two CCJs by default on the way here.

[dx100uk]

why did you have to sign up to anything?

read UPLOAD.

can you do get the q&A done please????

thats ALL we've wanted since your 1st post. nothing else

[FTMDave]

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Hello FTMDave and dx100uk,

I have uploaded the merged redacted claim forms. Sorry this has taken time, I had to get a 7 day free version of Adobe to do this.DCB legal have confirmed that the proceedings are stayed, though I will be submitting a defence.

You can see the contractual fails on their end.

Thanks,

G.

 

Post hidden.  Loads of details such as claim number, fleecers' reference number, etc., left unredacted.

 

 

 

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[KOGE19]

Hello dx100uk and FTMDave,

 

I have filled in the form now : 

 

------ Claim 1----

MCOL Northampton

Name of the Claimant : DCB LEGAL LIMITED

How many defendant's  : Self

Date of issue : 19-May-2023

What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 

    1.The defendant(d) is indebted to the Claimant(C) for parking charge(s) issued
    to vehicle at West Middx Uni hospital twickenham road,isleworth,tw76af 
    2. The PCN details are 26/10/2017.
    3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C.The vehcile was parked
    in breach of Cs signs(the contract), thus incurring the PCN(s)
    4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the 
    driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN(s) is outstanding. The contract
    entitles C to damages and the claimant claims
    1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages.
    2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County courts
    act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.02 until judgement or sooner payment
    3. Costs and court fees

What is the total value of the claim? 
£325.04

Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC 
Yes

Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred?
No

Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? Not applicable

Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Not applicable
 

When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After april 2007
 

Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? When parking
 

Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? No
 

Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned
 

Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Yes
 

Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not sure
 

Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No
 

Why did you cease payments? Not applicable
 

What was the date of your last payment? Unpaid
 

Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? Not applicable
 

Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Not applicable

 

 

[KOGE19]

-----Claim form 2-----

MCOL Northampton

Name of the Claimant : DCB LEGAL LIMITED

How many defendant's  : Self

Date of issue : 19-May-2023

What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 

    1.The defendant(d) is indebted to the Claimant(C) for parking charge(s) issued
    to vehicle at West Middx Uni hospital twickenham road,isleworth,tw76af 
    2. The PCN details are 03/05/2019.
    3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C.The vehcile was parked
    in breach of Cs signs(the contract), thus incurring the PCN(s)
    4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the 
    driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN(s) is outstanding. The contract
    entitles C to damages and the claimant claims
    1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages.
    2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County courts
    act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.02 until judgement or sooner payment
    3. Costs and court fees

What is the total value of the claim? 
£302.88

Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC 
Yes

Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred?
No

 

ClaimForm2_FullMergeRedacted_Redacted.pdf ClaimForm1_FullMergeRedacted_Redacted.pdf

[dx100uk]

so how come you managed to fill in the wrong court sticky.....NOT the private parking one that 4 users pointed you too?...

and DCBL is NOT the claimant....

they are being greedy here £300 for one and £325 for another, thats almost double what they should be claiming.

have you done AOS and CPR for both?

dx

[KOGE19]

Sorry dx100uk,

I think I got  a bit confused by the links to some other forms on here. Yes, I have done AOS for both. I have to submit the defence by the 15th I think.

 

Thanks,

G.

 

 

[KOGE19]

--- Claim 1----

Which Court have you received the claim from ?
MCOL Northampton

Name of the Claimant : UK Parking Controls

Claimants Solicitors: DCB LEGAL LIMITED

Date of issue : 19-May-2023

Date for AOS : Submitted on 23rd May 2023

Date to submit Defence : 19 June 2023

What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 

    1.The defendant(d) is indebted to the Claimant(C) for parking charge(s) issued
    to vehicle at West Middx Uni hospital twickenham road,isleworth,tw76af 
    2. The PCN details are 26/10/2017.
    3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C.The vehcile was parked
    in breach of Cs signs(the contract), thus incurring the PCN(s)
    4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the 
    driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN(s) is outstanding. The contract
    entitles C to damages and the claimant claims
    1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages.
    2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County courts
    act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.02 until judgement or sooner payment
    3. Costs and court fees

Amount Claimed 
£ 240.04

court fees 
£ 35

legal rep fees 
£ 50

Total Amount 
£ 325.04

Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN?
No

Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform?
Not sure.
 

[KOGE19]

----Claim 2----

Which Court have you received the claim from ?
MCOL Northampton

Name of the Claimant : UK Parking Controls

Claimants Solicitors: DCB LEGAL LIMITED

Date of issue : 19-May-2023

Date for AOS : Submitted on 23rd May 2023

Date to submit Defence : 19 June 2023

What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 

    1.The defendant(d) is indebted to the Claimant(C) for parking charge(s) issued
    to vehicle at West Middx Uni hospital twickenham road,isleworth,tw76af 
    2. The PCN details are 03/05/2019.
    3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C.The vehcile was parked
    in breach of Cs signs(the contract), thus incurring the PCN(s)
    4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the 
    driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN(s) is outstanding. The contract
    entitles C to damages and the claimant claims
    1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages.
    2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County courts
    act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0.02 until judgement or sooner payment
    3. Costs and court fees

Amount Claimed 
£ 217.88

court fees 
£ 35

legal rep fees 
£ 50

Total Amount 
£ 302.88

Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN?
No

Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform?
Not sure.
 

Edited June 13, 2023 by KOGE19

[KOGE19]

Sorry dx100uk, I have updated the forms now with the relevant data.

[dx100uk]

23rd defences are due by

 

have you sent CPR 31:14?

 

dx

 

[KOGE19]

Thanks Dx,

No, I have not send the CPR.

 

Thanks,

G.

[dx100uk]

you should be doing these things on each claim.

 

very very late for cpr's but get them off today

 

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

.

register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.

Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...

You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything

.

you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

………….
 

[KOGE19]

Thanks dx100uk,

Will send the CPR request today.

Any ideas what my defence would be.

 

Thanks,

G.

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by KOGE19

[Nicky Boy]

Standard defence is further down the sticky you filled out earlier. (Didn't you read it all? Tsk, tsk.)

Scroll to Q2) How should I defend?

But don't file it too early.

 

 

[KOGE19]

I did read all the posts, though as you can see, I dont seem to be getting to the end of the threads.

 

DCB have said that they will not be pursuing the case, though the case manager is still pending on it. I have a recording and an email from the land owner that they have been instructed to stop proceedings.

I will submit a defence none the less mentioning that the defence is a place holder since I do not want a CCJ against me.

 

Thanks all.

I will keep you updated.

 

 

[dx100uk]

no use the std defence !!

 

dx

 

[Nicky Boy]

You are placing a lot of reliance on

DCB have said that they will not be pursuing the case, though the case manager is still pending on it. I have a recording and an email from the land owner that they have been instructed to stop proceedings."

UKPC are the claimant... nobody else!

Don't take your foot off the gas on the strength of "he said, she said".

It's not over until it's over...

[dx100uk]

10 hours ago, dx100uk said:

23rd defences are due by

dx

 

dont file early!

 

dx