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    • Which Court have you received the claim from?  CIVIL NATIONAL BUSINESS CENTRE, NORTHAMPTON Name of the Claimant?  LOWELL PORTFOLIO LTD How many defendant's joint or self?  SELF Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  03 MAY 2024 Particulars of Claim What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim?  THE CLAIM IS FOR THE SUM OF £6000 DUE TO THE DEFENDANT UNDER AN AGREEMENT REGULATED BY THE CONSUMER ACT 1974 FOR A LLOYDS BANKING GROUP PLC ACCOUNT WITH AN ACCOUNT REFERENCE OF (ACCOUNT NO. 16 DIGITS LONG). THE DEFENDANT FAILED TO MAINTAIN CONTRACTUAL PAYMENTS REQUIRED BY THE AGREEMENT AND A DEFAULT NOTICE WAS SERVED UNDER S.87(1) OF THE CONSUMER ACT 1974 WHICH HAS NOT BEEN COMPLIED WITH. THE DEBT WAS LEGALLY ASSIGNED TO THE CLAIMANT ON (DATE) NOVEEMBER 2016 NOTICE OF WHICH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE DEFENDANT. THE CLAIM INCLUDES STATUORY INTEREST UNDER S.69 OF THE COUNTY COURTS ACT 1984 AT A RATE OF 8% PER ANNUM FOR THE DATE PF ASSIGNMENT TO THE DATE OF ISSUE OF THESE PROCEEDINGS IN THE SUMBE OF £0.00. THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS THE SUM OF £6000. What is the total value of the claim? £6500 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? YES, NOTICES OF CLAIM.  Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred?  YES  Did you inform the claimant of your change of address?  NO Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account?  CREDIT CARD When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007?  BEFORE   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post?  I DONT RECALL   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ?  NO   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim.  DEBT PURCHASER.   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? THE FIRST I RECALL WAS A LETTER FROM LOWELL SAYING THEY NOW OWNED THE DEBT.  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor?  NOT THAT I RECALL OR BEEN PROVIDED WITH THROUGH CCA REQUESTS.AT LAST REQUEST THEY SAID THEY WERE AWAITING THE DEFAULT NOTICE AND NO ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN UNTIL RESPONDED WHICH TO DATE I'VE NOT HAD OR SEEN.  Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ?  NO, I RECEIEVED LETTERS OF CLAIMS   Why did you cease payments?  I WAS UNDER MEDICAL CARE WHICH CAUSED ME NOT TO WORK. AROUND THAT TIME LOWELL HAD WANTED ME TO INCREASE MY PAYMENTS AS IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG TO CLEAR THE DEBT. I HAD BEEN PAYING THEM WHAT I WAS PAYING THE BANK. I EXPLAINED MY THEN HEALTH & FINANCIAL POSITION AND THAT I WAS UNABLE TO DO SO. THEY PUT A HOLD ON MY ACCOUNT FOR A FEW MONTHS SO I CANCELLED MY DIRECT DEBIT. I MADE A FULL AND FINAL OFFER WHICH WAS REJECTED. WHEN THEY WANTED PAYMENTS TO RESUME I EXPLAINED I WAS IN A WORSE FINANCIAL POSITION, STILL UNDERTAKING TREATMENT AND NOW UNEMPLOYED SO COULD NOT START PAYMENTS AS THEY WANTED. AFTER SENDING MY FINANCIAL SPREADSHEET THEY KEPT SENDING LETTERS ASKING WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO. I COULDN’T SEE A WAY FORWARD I FELT STREESSED AND UNDER PRESSURE SO WROTE THAT I WOULD NOT BE CORRESPONDING WITH THEM ANYMORE.    What was the date of your last payment? NOVEMBER / DECEMBER 2018   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? NO   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? I COMMUNICATED MY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WITH THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY, WE MADE A MONTHLY PAYMENT AGREEMENT WHICH WAS KEPT FOR SEVERAL YEARS UNTIL DEBT WAS SOLD.  
    • Perhaps you would care to read this and reflect on your continuing comparison of Israel to Nazi Germany Jugg    ALEX BRUMMER: How grotesque of pro-Palestine protesters to besmirch Auschwitz, the place where my grandparents died WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK As the son of a refugee from the horrors of the Holocaust, I can feel nothing but contempt for the ignorance, gross... My elderly aunt Sussie and cousin Sheindy had been teenagers at Auschwitz and Belsen but survived and are alive to this day. What they will make of the protesters who waved flags, heckled and chanted as Israelis took part in the March Of The Living – the annual walk from Auschwitz to Birkenau – I cannot imagine. The images now circulating of the protesters are indescribably disturbing. They can only bring back memories of those final moments Sheindy shared with my grandparents when my grandmother Fanya squeezed her hand and told her to lie about her age to avoid the gas chambers. Claiming she was older, and could work, meant that Sheindy lived, not died. The outrage perpetrated by Hamas on October 7 has brought back the most terrifying memories for these two women – memories of pillage, mutilation and starvation. The Holocaust, or Shoah to use the Hebrew word, was the deliberate, industrial-scale killing of Jews.  It is bad enough that pro-Palestinian and pro-Hamas sympathisers have chosen to steal the language of the Holocaust.  Any comparison between Israel's retaliation and the monstrous genocide of the 1940s is odious and anti-Semitic
    • Thank you JK2054 and BankFodder for your replies. The information requested is as follows:   My wife and I are sole traders supplying bespoke, handmade wedding trays and other items through our website. We do not sell on ebay. We had an order for two trays (invoice value £370) that were shipped on Monday 25th March. We used P2G as the broker and Evri as the shipper. We declared the value but did not take out insurance. As the trays were a present for a wedding on Saturday 30th March we checked the progress of delivery on the Thursday to see that there had been an attempt to deliver on the 27th but the driver failed to deliver as the customer’s gate was shut (customer informs us that the gates are open between 7am-7pm. We contacted the customer who informed us she had been waiting in all week and there had been no attempt of a delivery. Evri allege they attempted to deliver on the 28th & 29th. On the P2G web site on the 4th April at 14.17 it stated that the customer refused delivery. At 14.28 it updated to say there was a problem with the address and at 14.32 updated to say the customer had refused delivery. At 14.35 updated again to say it was being returned. Last entry was on the 7th April that it was being processed at the depot. We never received it. I have had six web chats with P2G between the 4th-30th April. On the 26th April, I had an offer of £20 plus cost of delivery (£6.72) from P2G which I rejected. During this time, I also contacted Evri that resulted in an email from Evri Customer Services (20th April) stating that they had lost the parcel. I replied requesting details of the attempted delivery but received no reply. After emailing Evri again on the 23rd asking again for the information I received a phone call from someone called Haleemah on the 25th who apologised and promised to send an email with a link to submit a claim form. I subsequently received an email with the link which only took me to a page that stated “Page not found”. After informing Evri customer services of the problem (to which no reply was forthcoming) a couple of days later I retried the link but it only took me to the Evri website. I believe that I have a good case against both companies but would appreciate guidance on which path to go down. I have read most of the information on this site, which has been very helpful and much appreciated, particularly the various court transcripts. I appreciate that this process is a marathon and not a sprint and am fully aware that I need to get everything in the correct order before starting on the legal road. I am sure this covers the current position but if further info is needed please let me know.  
    • Everything at small claims revolves around informality and common sense, there are no "special" ways to have to do things. The site manager's WS will be like yours and the one I linked to - just much shorter.  There need to be the introductory hearings about the case, the parties, etc., and the concluding Statement of Truth. In the middle just a couple of paragraphs where they say who they are, how they know you, and about permission being given by the landowner to use the car park. Superb.  I've added another section about the signage to the suggested WS sections three posts above. Yes, it's perfectly possible.  It'd be a good idea to phone the court on the 18th to see if they have paid.
    • OK thank you very much. I will prepare my WS as you advise.  I will indeed be preparing the WS over the weekend. I will also post UKPC's on Wednesday by 2nd class mail. As they have until the 17th to pay the court fee, is it possible they might discontinue at that stage too? Also I wanted to ask, in what form should the site manager's statement come? And the site owner if i can contact them? I will get photos of the signage to share with you also. Thank you.
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Hi all, 

 

PCN received today.   

Can't believe they allegedly issued it on 4th April but it didn't arrive till 19th. 

Their oh-so- generous discount only applies if it's paid within 14 days of issue - so conveniently- YESTERDAY! 

 

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Please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 29th March 2023

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 4th April 2023

 

3 Date received Today - 19th April 2023
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] NO
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up n/a
 

7 Who is the parking company? HORIZON PARKING LTD

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Gallagher Retail Park, Thornbury, Bradford
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

Mentions POPLA and also BPA 
 

Appreciate your expert guidance - thank you! 

 

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Horizon ANPR PCN - Gallagher Retail Park, Bradford

Just noticed a minor detail - the site is actually called Gallagher LEISURE Park, not retail as they state in the "notice".    May be irrelevant but worth pointing out :-)

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Hi Bradford Lad,

 

First thing is DO NOT APPEAL.

 

Also just sit tight and ignore anything the fleecers send until / unless you get a letter of claim.

If in any doubt about letters received, just upload and the guys will comment.

 

Others will probably chime in with comments about their initial invoice being totally pants.

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Cheers Nicky Boy, 

 

Also just noticed how badly worded it is. "Registered Keeper details requested from DVLA though the reasonable cause criteria....."  "Please inform us within 28 days if you were not the keeper/driver on the day in question".   If after 28 days we've not received payment, we have the right to recover the charge FROM THE DRIVER" - good luck with that then, I have no idea who the driver was......ahem!!

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Good,

You're looking carefully!

 

"Gallagher Retail Park" is also very relevant.

 

With a quick Google, I've found Gallagher Retail Parks in ...

Coventry

Wednesbury

Scunthorpe

Huddersfield

Cheltenham

 

There's no other helpful information on their duff paperwork to narrow it down!

 

And if it's actually called something else "Gallagher LEISURE Park"... Well, 'nuff said!

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You'd think they'd get the easy bit right!!   Look at the building signage! 

Not sure the map link worked!! 

 

Does this: 53.80056275788841, -1.7033408223358242

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Did you go to Odeon Cinema?

 

Look at the review top of page.

Trip Advisor Link...

Might be worth a try.

 

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g186408-d7645116-r883826337-Odeon_Leeds_Bradford-Bradford_West_Yorkshire_England.html

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Actually no, I believe "the driver" was at the gym 😉   Annoying thing is, at the gym there's an ipad to put your reg in to get 3hrs free, but I remember a few weeks ago it had frozen and me & this other guy couldn't use it.  Can't say for definite it was the day in question though. 

 

I know what you mean about the cinema reviews though, it's crazy isn't it - 45 minutes free to go watch a film??! 

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Might be worth a complaint email to the Gym to get it cancelled...

 

Sometimes works.

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Morning all, bumping this up for any further comments about the invoice received. 

 

Issues around the name of the retail park being wrong, date of breach/issue/receipt concerns, and no mention of PoF Act. 

 

Any other advice guys?

 

Many thanks

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Not really,

as already said, just sit and collect the inevitable stream of "scary" letters.

Unless you get a letter of claim.

 

No need to create work for yourself "just in case" it goes further.

 

Only thing I might suggest that shouldn't put you out...

"The driver" is presumably a regular at the gym, so good quality pics of some of the signage in the car park (with readable text) may be useful. Especially if some signs are different to others.

Don't forget the entrance sign... It has to be pretty specific.

(It would be brilliant if there's no mention of "registering" for an extended stay at the gym).

 

Also pics of the signage / registration tablet in the gym.

 

Have you had any joy on emailing the gym asking them to cancel the PCN?

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Their invoice isn't PoFA compliant so unless they know the name of the driver they're stuffed.

 

As the silly little missive states that the driver is liable for their inflated unicorn tax, then unless you give them the drivers name, there is diddly they can do.

 

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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As Bazooka Boo said the PCN is not compliant which means that only the driver is liable for the charge since non compliance means that the rogues cannot transfer the charge to the keeper.

 

Important therefore not to reveal who was driving. Something like "I parked the car ...." instead of  "the driver parked the car..." is a dead giveaway as to who was driving. 

 

They can't even bother to say that they are the creditor. And as Nicky Boy rightly said they have not identified the car park .

 

In the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 S( [2][a] it states the Notice must"

(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;"

 

Well it certainly has not specified the relevant land where the car was parked. Nor have they got the period of parking right either.

 

It cannot be right that driving through the entrance to a parking spot and then later leaving the parking place and driving to the exit could be considered as parking .

 

Another thing. Is the allowed time for parking there 30 minutes or one hour? If it is one hour then they should have given you ten minutes grace period. 

 

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Thanks Lookingforinfo,  the free parking is actually 45 minutes, but it's interesting what you said about enteri g the car park and leaving the car park - would they need to prove the vehicle was PARKED? 

 

I'll ignore all their paperwork for now then and as you rightly say, if and when the time comes I will only refer to "the driver..." 

 

Just out of curiosity (always looking to learn!), Just what is it that makes the PCN non-compliant? And what is it not compliant with? 

 

Many thanks all for your help with this! 

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Look up POFA 2012.

It's statutory requirements.

The fleecers can normally only sue the driver of the vehicle (difficult if you don't know the driver's details), but POFA allows them to sue the keeper if they jump through the various statutory hoops.

One such hoop is that the PCN must follow a specific format.

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Parking on private land is governed by the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. If the rogues who operate in  private parking want to be able to transfer the charge from the driver to the keeper when an alleged breach of the Act has occurred, they need to comply with the Act. When they don't [and it happens quite frequently] they cannot pursue the keeper for the debt-only the driver is now liable.

 

Doesn't stop the rogues since they assume that the driver and the keeper are the same person and carry on chasing the keeper.The good news is that should it go to Court, Judges do not accept that the driver and keeper are the same person. Anyone who has a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your car.

 

You are allowed a ten minute minimum grace  period at the end of your parking . You also have a five minute minimum  Consideration  period at the start of your parking to allow you time to look at the signs and to decide whether you want to park there after reading the terms of the car park.  Both the IPC and the new Government regulations, which have been temporarily suspended, say that the consideration period should not be included in the parking period. The BPA on the other hand disagree and insist that once you have remained in the car park after the five minutes, that time should be included in the parking period. I guess they take the view that they should not observe the Law when they have a chance of making  money.

 

If the DVLA had any cojones you would have thought that they would at least have queried the discrepancy between the BPA and the other two parties. Probably don't even know about it despite claiming the robustness of their systems. Yeah right.

 

So you need to find an extra 5 minutes or a Judge who believes that the BPA Code of practice does not comply with the regulations.I don't think the latter is out of the question.

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So in simple terms, they didn't mention the POFA in their invoice, which means they can't pursue the keeper, only the driver.  But as they don't/won't know who the driver is then they've shot themselves in the foot?

 

Do I now just ignore all corres. until a Claim Letter arrives? 

 

Thanks again all!

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As they only use ANPR cameras in this car park they have n o idea what occurs inside the car park. Are most of the bays full: is it difficult to get out of the car park when you leave because the main road is very busy; did your son drive in and your wife drive out-they haven't a clue. 

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Any update here?  I ask as we have a new Cagger who is being hassled by the Horizon jokers.

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Hi FTMDave, 

Not really - I received the attached letter on 12th July, giving me 7 days.   I've included the checklist on page 3 as it made me laugh out loud.  Clearly I owe them money, their checklist says I do! 

I ignored it obviously, then I received exactly the same letter dated 27th July, giving me...yes, 7 days. 

Sorry I can't be more help!  

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On the contrary, that is a great help.

It confirms that Horizon are up to their usual antics, lots of "scary" letters but not much actual doing court.

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Did you find the gym cooperative?

I ask as we have someone new who has got four of these tickets :-(

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