Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[tobyjugg2]

Quote of the decade and undoubtedly at least in a large part - true

Actual conspiracy's are in the smaller parts.

 

"just a series of cock-ups made by people of limited intelligence desperate to shore up their own positions. A clown show, not a conspiracy"

[honeybee13]

Who said that, TJ? I haven't seen that one.

[tobyjugg2]

One of the respondents in oaksh*ts thread I think

She of course seems to be simply trying to claim lockdowns were wrong - rather than the actual facts that the methods and requirements of the implementations were mismanaged and incompetent, and that prior failures made the requirements more urgent.

(as detailed in the closed mutating virus thread)

Shes even spinning the leak

 

Jacob Rees-Mogg had a Covid test for one of his children couriered to his home by health officials at a time when there was a testing shortage.

An initial test for one of Mr Rees-Mogg’s children had been lost by the laboratory, prompting Matt Hancock’s special adviser to organise a courier to deliver a new test that night, wait for the child to take the new test, and then take it directly to the laboratory.

Two days before the test was personally delivered to the Rees-Mogg family home, the director of testing at NHS Test and Trace had been forced to issue her “heartfelt apologies to anyone who cannot get a Covid test at present”.

Reports at the time suggested a backlog of 185,000 tests waiting to be processed on September 11 2020, the day after the test was couriered to Mr Rees-Mogg, who at the time was Leader of the Commons.

 

 

Hancock adviser arranged personal test for Jacob Rees-Mogg's child at time of massive shortage

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The test was sent by courier to the MP's home, and then straight to a lab

 

Edited March 1, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and before everyone starts ripping into HandCock about the telegraph 'leaks',

it should be stated that handcocks spokesperson has said that all responses are being considered

 

* another bushtucker trial

* crying

* threatening legal action

* continuing lying

 

... all options

including all of the above - lying, crying and threatening while the 'cock  eats more fried kangaroo testicles

- a real cock and ball story

Edited March 1, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Another British success story .. taking itself and its profits abroad

 

"(Reuters) -- British chip technology company Arm, owned by Japanese conglomerate SoftBank Group, said on Friday it will pursue a U.S.-only listing this year, ending speculation about a primary or a secondary listing in the U.K.

 

Arm is the world's biggest supplier of chip design elements used in smartphones, selling intellectual property to companies such as Apple and Qualcomm."

 

 

SoftBank's Arm rebuffs London by choosing U.S. listing

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Arm, the chip designer owned by Japan's SoftBank , said on Friday it would pursue a U.S.-only listing this year, dashing the British government's...

 

Chip firm Arm rebuffs London as it seeks US stock market listing

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In January, Rishi Sunak reportedly restarted talks with Softbank to persuade it to list the Cambridge-based computer chip maker in London.

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Government comms seem to have got confused with this one, it seems to read the opposite of what they mean.

 

[tobyjugg2]

I see Lineker has compared the UK guvernments small boat intentions to the Nazis pogroms of the 30s..

... which as expected has quickly raised complaints and condemnation from a handful of Rottenführer, Anwärter and poopmeisters.

 

The BBCs Oberjunker is understood to be checking Linekers antecedents and requiring him to understand his oaths of allegiance to the BB-Creed.

 

 

" The BBC reported that while Lineker was not bound by the strict social media policies of BBC news and current affairs staff, the director general, Tim Davie, had discussed the issue of his comments in the past and it was understood he would be reminded of his responsibilities."

 

BBC to talk to Gary Lineker over tweets on UK asylum plan and Nazi Germany | Gary Lineker | The Guardian

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Match of the Day host under fire after he condemns ‘cruel’ and ‘beyond awful’ small boats policy

 

[honeybee13]

They only pay him to do football commentary, don't they?

 

You'd think he would be allowed to have his own views in much the same way as the BBC chairman who made a £400k donation to the Tory party.

[theoldrouge]

I see Rishi and Suella have upset all the right people, must be a vote winning policy then

 

Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson told MailOnline: 'Yet again Gary Lineker has been allowed to kick about vile and baseless accusations, and the public are sick to the back teeth of it. It's time to tackle this woke crisp salesman and hold him to account for the nonsense he spews.'

Former minister Robert Jenrick said: 'My children are the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, and I think those sorts of words should not be thrown around lightly. Gary Lineker is paid for by the British taxpayer. And it's disappointing that he is so far out of step with the British public.' 

The BBC said earlier today that Lineker would be 'spoken to' and 'reminded of his responsibilities'. 

 

 

Gary Lineker laughs off Nazi jibe as MPs demand BBC sack him | Daily Mail Online

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The corporation's highest-paid star, who earns £1.35million a year from the licence fee payer, has compared...

 

[honeybee13]

it's highly likely the latest proposed law won't work anyway. It'll be stuck in the courts for years.

[tobyjugg2]

Which is of course what they want - it keeps the dogs whistled without hang to actually deliver something which would put us in breach of most of the worlds human rights, let alone international law.

 

Its all dog whistles while booting any resolutions good or bad  into the long grass

[honeybee13]

A lot of commentators agree with that assessment, TJ.

[tobyjugg2]

Seems its Tory Poopulist policy on everything - goals that way .. but kick the ball into the long grass or we'll lose

 

Even this latest version of the withdrawal protocol is little different in real terms to Truss' apart from the backstop

- and the backstop was only there in case the UK didn't implement the systems - we had some years on trus't (sic) where trade continued largely avoiding the situation we are now in

 

and aside from Sunack getting it through parliament (almost a certainty) without imploding his party (thats the real question), sunck still has to implement the systems and NOT trash the oversight (the other real question)

- which they clearly didn't believe they could - or even want to try with Truss' version.

So the 2/3 cores of implementation are still ... nowhere.

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Ah, some good news starting to be reported at last

 

GB News records £30 million losses from a little over  £3 million revenue

 

"The broadcaster paid more than £11 million in wages (3x its income) and salaries to its staff during the year,

many of who include Conservative MP’s who have been given platforms to present their own shows."

 

Its directors were reportedly 'satisfied' with the above.

 

 

Perhaps they are just trying to make the BBC look good eh?

 

Effective way for them to get paid to put out 'opinion' that even Con Central wont allow.

 

 

 

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[theoldrouge]

Bad news for you Jugg is that GB News has secured substantial new funding from new investors 
 

Meanwhile returning to what actually matters
 

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The Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, is quite wrong to say that the BBC has 'caved in' to Tory MPs. Sensible BBC managers recognise that Mr Lineker has gone too far and they cannot just do nothing.

Sir Keir should imagine (admittedly it is hard) the rise to stardom of a brilliant and charming footballer with strongly conservative views, who eventually comes to present a premium primetime programme.

He should imagine such a person gaining nearly nine million Twitter followers as a result, and using this platform to excoriate Labour's long years of failure to control immigration, and indeed its long years of actively encouraging it.”
 

Gary Lineker outrageously breached the BBC's sacred impartiality | Daily Mail Online

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MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: The Charter and Agreement commit the Corporation to fairness, in return for...

 

[tobyjugg2]

so then @theoldrougeyour support of free speech only reaches as far as supporting anti-vax liars rights to promote anti vax lies which are easily proven as lies or at VERY best disinformation,

.. and you don't support free speech when its a REAL persons quite legitimately and honestly held and  long time supported (by actions) views on a subject?

 

I think that rather defines you and those like you.

 

 

So, Given Lineker was quite conservative (in the traditional sense) in his statement,

and it has been reported that Lineker had been told by the BBC that there would be no further action ...

 

Which do people think occurred:

 

1. The poopulist guv intervened to pressure the BBC to censor Lineker in a rather Russia/Iran manner

2. The Tory pals shunted into positions of power in the BBC decided off their own backs to attempt to censor Lineker

 

Given the reported prior decision by the BBC of 'no further action' .. gotta be the former hasn't it?

 

and also given that "BBC Chair Richard Sharp is under pressure for failing to declare his involvement in facilitating a loan for former Prime Minister Boris Johnson shortly before he was appointed to the role. "

 

 

Former BBC chief Greg Dyke warned on Saturday that "it looks like - the perception out there - that the BBC has bowed to government pressure"

 

BBC Chief Refuses To Quit Despite Chaos Sparked By Lineker Removal

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BBC chief refuses to quit despite chaos sparked by Lineker removal

 

BBC ‘caving in to UK Government’ by taking Lineker off air, Humza Yousaf says

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Mr Yousaf spoke out about the issue at an SNP leadership hustings in Glasgow.

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

TOR, I guess GB News need the money if they've lost £30m. Well done them.

 

I wonder why there aren't enough right wing footballers?

 

 

[theoldrouge]

5 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

so then @theoldrougeyour support of free speech only reaches as far as supporting anti-vax liars rights to promote anti vax lies which are easily proven as lies or at VERY best disinformation,

.. and you don't support free speech when its a REAL persons quite legitimately and honestly held and  long time supported (by actions) views on a subject?

 

No as far as I am concerned Saint Gary could say what he liked if he had the decency to resign from an organisation that I am legally enforced to contribute to (or indeed if that corporation was defunded)
even though I very rarely endure their biased lefty output
As for the rest of your comment above totally off topic for me to respond here

[tobyjugg2]

ROFL Cheered me up no end that you are upset about paying toward Linekers wages

 

re GobNews:

Given the massive fees and albeit rather limited platform given to right wing ministers to promote their own views and the simple fact that other than right wing sponsors are extremely limited

one could be forgiven for thinking  that GoBNews is just a way to route more funds and give a whistle to the CON artists from their few donors and promoters bypassing other  limitations and requirements.

 

 

So @oldrouge you haven't told us yet why you dont rail against  much more obvious real conspiracies

like

* bleach as a covid treatment asmong other real issues

* Blatantly OBVIOUS RT'esque Political interference in a public funded  'National broadcaster  (which they are crapping themselves about LOL)

[tobyjugg2]

While we wait with growing clarity of how full of .. it certain right wing posters are

 

The latest results:

 

Gary Lineker: 10

The BBC: -2 (should be)

 

Its understood that the BBC will be appointing an 'independent' review of the BBC's Oaths of unquestioning loyalty to whoever and whatever they say ..

.. as soon as the poopulist guv has found someone willing to keep booting the populists chosen result into the long grass long enough for them to say many many times - that the 2 poopulist lackies should not be fired from the BBC overlordship while an investigation is in progress...

[theoldrouge]

Little history lesson for lefty’s 
 

 

The real problem with Gary Lineker is that he knows as much about politics as I know about football. But, while you will never catch me giving my opinions on soccer, Mr Lineker thinks his TV and advertising fame qualifies him to discuss politics and history. 

 

Actually, it is amazing how little so many people know about these things. Although modern school history seems to cover nothing apart from the wives of Henry VIII and Hitler, nobody seems to know one crucial fact. The Nazis were very left-wing.  

 

Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog

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[honeybee13]

The Nazis were left wing according to Peter Hitchens' view. A lot of people have already disagreed with him.

 

Was GL expressing a political view or a humanitarian one though?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

 

The real problem with Gary Lineker is that he knows as much about politics as I know about football. But, while you will never catch me giving my opinions on soccer, Mr Lineker thinks his TV and advertising fame qualifies him to discuss politics and history. 

 

No, its his education, intelligence, empathy and common decency

 

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

Actually, it is amazing how little so many people know about these things. Although modern school history seems to cover nothing apart from the wives of Henry VIII and Hitler, nobody seems to know one crucial fact. The Nazis were very left-wing.  

 

 

.. Which you ARE clearly bereft of

 

For info

Just because they called themselves National Socialists or whatever doesn't mean they were or are

.. rather like the claims of Stalin, Mao or Johnson

- all just wannabe dictators - JUST some more successful than others.

 

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,^[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition

 

 

 

So why dont we see you railing against real conspiracies @theoldrouge

 

* Like Trumps claims about bleach

* Like the Tories routing 100+ million to 'Moneys firms and  that having to be exposed by journalists while the poops were denying anything was wrong

* Like the Tories sending a Hercules to Turkey for (worthless) PPE they lied about ordering when journalists exposed the lack

* like  the uk GUV  politically interfering in the BBC as if it were RT

* like the UK guv implementing suppression of  rights of protest

* Like the UK guv putting laws into the hands of ministers rather than  Parliament or the courts

 

Lineker 10

BBC and @oldrouge -3

 

 

 

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Edited March 13, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Interesting tweet today, an article from 2016.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Perhaps referring more directly to the title of this thread, and for those who have been following the US Silicon bank collapse and the fallout in other nations including the UK

The following is PRECISELY what the UK conservatives are doing, deregulating the financial institutions putting them back on the platform they were on before the financial collapse.

 

Perhaps worth noting hat Biden has said the US taxpayer will NOT carry the can (directly) and that the banking systems will carry te cost and the directors fired if its within his power to to it in the US

Likely certain that won't be the case in the UK.

 

Trump’s Rollback of Dodd-Frank Regulations Directly Led to the Silicon Valley Bank Failure

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This is what happens when you deregulate checks on financial institutions.

 

 

Wonder how much the UK taxpayer is funding the HSBC 'takeover' of the UK arm?

Edited March 15, 2023 by tobyjugg2