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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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10 hours ago, StoryBoard said:

Confirmation of Authority to manage the car park attached as Exhibit SW1.

Looks like toilet paper...😆

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What on earth is this "Confirmation of Authority"?  It looks like a primary school child has produced it.

EDIT: see Nick beat me to it.  I prefer his description!

 

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Your points.

4.  Yes, CEL are.  But CEL are not the people running the car park.  They haven't a hope in court.

5.  True - ABC Facilities Management Limited.

7.  The contract is with ABC Facilities Management Limited.

9.  Superb.  So they have lied in their WS.  This will seriously annoy the judge when you point it out.

BTW, ABC Parking Solutions Limited are a former name of ABC Facilities Management Limited.

 

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The Confirmation of Authority is not a contract.

I am attempting to sort out the companies involved in this car park and perhaps some one from the legal team can confirm the situation.

ABC facilities Management Ltd started off as 

Ace Cleaning Solutions ltd in 20th February 2014

then became ABC Parking Solutions Ltd  28th June 2016

finally becoming ABC facilities management Ltd 19th November 2019.

The company was dissolved 11th March 2023 having been struck off.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The signature on the authority could be that  of Georgios Malekos who apparently owned 75% of the shares  January 1st 2017. Interestingly the Government up to date info does not list ABC as being one of the companies he owned. And you would have thought that even if is English may not have been that great he would at least have known the correct address of the car park. Nevertheless though he is not listed as a director he still appears to be the major shareholder but not the one with the biggest financial investment.

As he appears to have been in control since prior to your  event and still is , I am unsure of the legal situation with  the change of companies since he signed that authority.  Normally a change of company would necessitate a new authority . perhaps the contract will make things clearer.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, lookinforinfo said:

even if is English may not have been that great

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19 minutes ago, lookinforinfo said:

perhaps the contract will make things clearer

Almost as funny as "is" LFI.

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7 hours ago, lookinforinfo said:

I am attempting to sort out the companies involved in this car park and perhaps some one from the legal team can confirm the situation.

Thanks for the digging, sorry i missed that link. I assume it was noted that there were two different companies on their WS photos. 'ABC Car Park Solutions Limited' and also 'ABC Parking Solutions Limited'. There is no record of one of these names so far in searches.

If the latest incarnation of the ABC company has been dissolved in March 2023, I assume this event hasn't got any relevance to the case? Eg who are CEL actually purporting to be working on behalf of now?

Would it help if we knew why ABC were struck off?

 

Apologies again, I know you are all working off scraps until next Tuesday, when I'll be able to upload their full WS.

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ABC being dissolved [no I have no idea why ] does not affect your case just those who may be ticketed these days possibly.

The question is whether the certificate  apparently signed by Mr Malekos when it was ABC Parking Solutions still is valid under the new name of ABC facilities management when Mr Malekos was the major shareholder with both companies.

Also are the signs lawful when ABC was not a member of BPA at that time. By lawful I mean did the signs comply with PoFA so that there was a reasonable cause for the DVLA to send your data to CEL, or did they not have to comply with PoFA and still be able to provide a reasonable cause. Especially bearing in mind that though he was the major shareholder he wasn't a director and did that disqualify him from being able to sign that  legal document on behalf of ABC.

Of course we still have to see the contract ............................which may well be sufficient  on its own to damn their case regardless of .any other considerations.

 

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HOW are you redacting your pages?

cause i can remove all yours in one click using a PDF editor.

you should be redacting each page as a JPG following our upload guide...

THEN converting to PDF and merging to one mass pdf using the sites we list.

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

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"We will be forced to incur further legal costs for preparation, attendance and travel, which we will seek to recover at the upcoming hearing".

Absolute, total lies.  Costs are capped at small claims.

Very kind of them to supply extra photos - all in the name of ABC Parking Solutions Ltd 🤣

Fingers crossed all goes well in Drtford.

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page 12 photo has been doctored.

look at the text of the sign....:pound:

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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We don't know if ABC in whatever name they used have not signed a contract with CEL.  If they have then was it signed by Mr Malekos  or an actual director of the company. 

Might be worthwhile getting photos of the current signage to see if the ABC signs are still there. It won't affect your case in one sense but mentioning it if they  are still using ABC might call into question the car park's validity.

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10 hours ago, dx100uk said:

page 12 photo has been doctored.

look at the text of the sign....:pound:

Something even more interesting dx is that all 8 of their photos have exactly the same timestamp on them!!

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stock photos of the 'site' taken in 2019?

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All photos are "timestamped" within the same minute, making the timestamp questionable, meaning when were the photos really taken??

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The WS is very disappointing coming form a barrister albeit apparently not much experience with PoFA.

He of all people should recognise that being parked  is not the same as "car broken down". Jopson v Homeguard  cleared up what was parking and whilst broken down was not included that was only because the Judge did not exhaust all the possibilities of what defines the word parking.Moreover the OP was leaving well within the time limits until his car wouldn't start. 

The barrister of all people should know that the amount that can be claimed under PoFA is the amount on the sign. And he should also know that putting an unspecified amount on a sign does not commit a motorist to paying an extra specified amount. In any event the Beavis knocked on the head any extra charges.

The signs displayed on the WS are illegible.There is a case for arguing that this was deliberate to prevent the Judge from seeing that the signs are not in the name of CEL but instead they are either in the name of ABC Parking Solutions Ltd for which there is a letter of Authority from someone who is not a Director and other signs in the name of ABC Car Parking Solutions ltd who there appears to be no trace of.  The signage should be in the name of CEL to comply with PoFA. On top of that  the entrance sign is only  an offer to treat so does not offer any kind of contract.  

I notice that no contract appears to have been provided. Do not tell them since without it their case should be thrown out anyway.

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Thanks Lifi

The scanning in of the WS has reduced the legibility of the photos in hard copy but not much. They are still not clear on the hard copies.

What I have noticed is that the post #211 mentioned that the photo appeared doctored on p12. It looks reasonable on the photo and the scanning in appears to have altered this to some effect. It therefore looks reasonable and not doctored.

If I can, I will go back down to the car park next Tuesday and take photos of the existing signs. Very to the wire but might be able to demonstrate whether these are current.

I'm unclear what your last paragraph is stating. Do not tell them? At what point should this be raised?

I'm conscious that there are silent members viewing this thread whom I don't know and rightly provide no reference to identify them but hope that their intentions are good. If so, glad this is potentially helping their case/ knowledge.

I am getting some great comments back, thank you. However I'm assuming when I'm given the time to speak I do refer to their WS, picking up some issues for the judge to consider in his overall assessment? If so, a structured list would be helpful to reference from and the priority/importance of each one would be helpful if that could be provided. Otherwise I can try and pick it up from the posts in layman's terms?

ps How long has Scott Wilson been a barrister? As he is not attending the hearing a representative from the company or counsel will be attending instead.

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Don't tell them that they have not provided a contract. Without it they cannot prove they have a case so the Judge should throw out the case.

You should have a copy of your WS  that you can refer to plus any other points that you can make though if they are not already in your WS or defence they may not be accepted.

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They will be sending an advocate, most likely LPC as with all parking claims.


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I've just realised that the pack they posted to me came with a one page cover letter and the witness statement. I collated these together when uploading. 1 page cover plus 36 pages of WS.

The court will not have been issued the cover note 1st page where the mentioning of incurring further costs was put. That, I believe, was just for me and not submitted to the Court by CEL. So assume this can't be referred to in Court? Post #210.

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I went to the car park today to take photos of the signs to compare directly with those in the claimants WS. Although I do not know when these were changed, these have been changed following the date of the PCN. The position of the signs have not changed just the wording on them.

I do not think these photos are particularly relevant to my case other than to show that the signs have changed from photos included in both the Claimants and Defendants WS.

Items that may be of interest. Appears the wording on the signs have been tightened up.

1. Entrance signs now states a company 'Atlantis FM Limited'.

2. The charges for the car park have not changed but 1 hour has changed to 1.5 hours and 2 hours has changed to 2.5 hours.

3. 'Payment must be made within 10 minutes of arrival' has changed to 'Payment must be made within 10 minutes of arrival on the premises'.

4. Civil Enforcement name and BPA logo now on the bottom of the signs. No other company name showing on signs.

 

I'd be interested to know if any of this is worthy of raising at the hearing. Thanks.

Butterfly walk photos taken 2nd April 2024.pdf

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Thank you for getting the new photos.The signs shown on their WS should be copies of the signs at the time you allegedly breached their terms.

Atlantis FM is a company where Mr Malekos is listed as a Director.. Too late for your case though so nothing altered as far as your case goes.

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Not sure right now (away on hols), but I think their witness statement said something along the lines of "I confirm that the signage was present at the time of parking and still is"??

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