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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Hx Parking/gladstones CCJ - Exceeded 1hrs Free - McDonald's Alma Leisure Park Chesterfield CCJ issued thanks to useless parking fines ltd ***Claim Dismissed***


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one wonders why pfl didn't find this but i expect mc'd's signs are diff but not enforceable as i doubt mc'd's own the land anyway

so who made the 1hrs limit then?

 

get sign photos please.

 

make sure we can clearly see the small print.

 

something's not right here..

 

 

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all signs concerning mac;d car park and do a layout too of where they are

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Hi I have received a reply from CCBC below is their reply
 
Good afternoon,
 
I have now changed the address to the one listed below,
 
After looking at the case i can see that as we did not receive the completed Directions Questionnaire by 4pm on 24/06/2021 the Defence has now been struck out and judgment has now been entered.
 
the below is now relevant:
 
The defence has been struck out and Judgment was entered against you. If you want to contest the claim you will need to apply to set judgment aside and re-instate the defence. You can use an N244 Application, which should be accompanied by a completed DQ. You will need to explain why you didn't file your Directions Questionnaire in time and why you feel you should still be allowed to contest the claim.
 
You can download forms from www.gov.uk. If the claim against you was for over £10,000 complete an N181 Directions Questionnaire; for claims of £10,000 or under, please attach an N180 form. You will need to provide one copy of the application for each defendant, one copy for the claimant and one copy for the court. There is a £275 court fee, payable by cheque or postal order to HMCTS or by card by calling the Helpdesk between 9am and 3:15pm. If you are applying as an individual rather than on behalf of a company and you cannot afford to pay this fee you can check if you are eligible for help with fees by downloading the EX160A booklet.
 
You can also apply for help with fees online at https://www.gov.uk/get-help-with-court-fees Please note, applications are not automatically granted. The outcome of your application is at the discretion of the District Judge or court appointed Legal Advisor. If you require any further information, please contact our helpdesk on the number above. Alternatively, you can email us at [email protected]. Please ensure that you state the above case number in the subject heading of your email.
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might not be needed gather your evidence....

then we'll hit HX as detailed earlier

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14 hours ago, dx100uk said:

please dont believe everything you read and are told on/about mse

i can assure you PFL is on mse and is in your thread i bet!!

 

nearly all of the cases PFL dealt with were by touting by sending pm's to people that posted on mse. 

 

anyway ,thats all in the past. it doesn't matter - forget it, there is no court 'mistake' you got had ...end of its over now.

 

what you  need to do now is get this set aside

the angle will be there is no such thing as 1hrs free parking on that retail site, a parking company cannot dictate the time, it can only be the landowner, so what do you need to do.....

 

get up on the local councils website planning section

download the original planning consent granted

then look for planning permission granted for HX's signs/poles and ANPR cameras/poles... i bet you wont find any

 

you will also find that the council gave no permission to vary the free parking time from originally granted.

 

can i just check something.

go get your credit file please...is this CCJ showing?

 

you are in the info gathering stage, slow down get all the info you have no rush to set this aside, its been there since june so another few weeks will not hurt.

 

it MIGHT well be that once you have the info you might be in a very good position to write to HX and demand they set aside the CCJ FOC to you. then it wont cost you a penny

if your evidence is good they will fall over themselves to do so.

 

dx

slow down

 

the above is your route to success

 

complete each task to getting each piece of very important info.

 

 

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I am from Sheffield the chesterfield council website I looking for planning permission for HX parking could not get much info. My credit report not showing anything even I paid for daily updates. Gathering other info signs cameras etc

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47 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

what you  need to do now is get this set aside

the angle will be there is no such thing as 1hrs free parking on that retail site, a parking company cannot dictate the time, it can only be the landowner, so what do you need to do.....

 

get up on the local councils website planning section

download the original planning consent granted

then look for planning permission granted for HX's signs/poles and ANPR cameras/poles... i bet you wont find any

 

you will also find that the council gave no permission to vary the free parking time from originally granted.

 

 

find out the land owner too ...move from there forward

if you have to ring the council planning dept then do so.

you need the originally granted plannig perm to loook for parking

you need to be able to search for hx'x planning for signs/cameras/poles.

 

ask!!

 

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just a load of photos cant see the small print.....on the sign

anyway you were there in the 1hrs only period so who gave hx permission to dictate that?

not much use without whom is the landowner

and the planning perm granted at build and since.

 

dx

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well no rush

 

you cant move fwd until you get the planning stuff found out.

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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urm...search online box?

 

Alma Leisure Park 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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link doesnt work

 

but when searching Alma Leisure Park i cant find anything ref parking signs - looking good

 

why dont you ring them and ask.

 

you specifically want the granted permission for hx to put up those signs that say 5hrs/1hrs

 

a point that struck me, they have your timings so there must be anpr cameras on the mcd entrance? did you see them?  bet they aint got planning either! 

you also need to know WHO owns the land the mcd car park is on.

tell whomever you speak too that this is subject to a court judgement and the judge will want the details yea or ney evidence wise

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I will ring them tomorrow there are some cameras I have seen one you enter the car park the other one when u going out from the car park I could not see any kind of writing on them 

 

I have found these 2 cameras at Alma Leisure Park for McDonald's

cameras.pdf

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1st is cctv. 2nd is anpr yes as has infra red source for night vision

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • AndyOrch changed the title to Hx Parking/gladstones CCJ - Exceeded 1hrs Free - McDonald's Alma Leisure Park Chesterfield CCJ issued thanks to useless parkingfines ltd .

Ok I have been trying to contact the contact the council but they are not picking the phone up. 

 

Now I have sent them an email asking for the required information.

 

On other hand I need some information regarding the CCJ Judgement already made. So if we get the required information from council then what's our next step. 

 

To put a case set aside I already applied help with the fees and got the reference number as well

 

Update 

 

 Finally spoke to someone from chesterfield council planning help desk she told me that it's registered in Nottingham land registry and shes is not sure if it's managed by council. She has sent an email to get details then they going to ring me

 

 

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well as i said , you might not need to do that if hx do it for you for free once you get your evidence, 

slowdown you dont need to push the set aside it wont make it happen sooner, you need the evidence either way.

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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as long as nothing can id YOU to the fleecers go ahead.

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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