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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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ParkingEye/DCB(L) ANPR PCN no.1. 15/09/2020 - Letter of Claim now Claimform - - Hallsville Quarter, London Basement And Surface


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It was me who actually brought up "de minimis" so I've changed that bit to their client wittering on about Beavis all the time.  Changes in red.

Also, shouldn't it be the Easter Bunny rather than Santa given the time of year 😉

Invest in two 2nd class stamps on Monday and send the letter both to DCBL and to PE.  Get two free Certificates of Posting.

 

Dear Children,

Re: PCN no.XXXXX

Ah, how delightful it is to receive another one of your attempts at extortion. Your persistence truly is commendable, albeit misguided.

Let's dive right into this lesson, shall we?

Firstly, I must express my sincere gratitude for your contribution to my entertainment fund. Your pennies have been put to excellent use in providing me with endless chuckles. However, your belief that I owe you anything beyond that is as laughable as it is absurd.

Now, onto your client's feeble attempt at legal jargon. Beavis, Beavis, Beavis. How quaint. It seems they've stumbled upon a legal term like a toddler discovering their toes for the first time. But fear not, my dear thickos, for the judge will surely educate them on its meaning when they inevitably find themselves in a courtroom. Oh, what a spectacle that will be!

And as for your fantasies of me funding lavish vacations through your unreasonable costs orders, well, let's just say I'll be sure to send you a postcard from my beachfront villa in the Mediterranean. Your unwitting generosity truly knows no bounds.

In conclusion, allow me to offer my sincerest wishes: may this be the last we hear from each other. Your persistent incompetence has provided me with enough entertainment for a lifetime.

With the warmest regards (not really),

Santa

COPIED TO PARKING EYE LTD

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At long last we have both the front and back of the same PCN.

So we have a PCN that does not comply with PoFA because of PE not asking the keeper to pay the PCN. In addition they have failed to specify the period of parkin since  the ANPR cameras only show the arrival and departure times of vehicles which obviously cannot include the driving to a parking spot and later driving from that parking spot .

On top of that with no planning permission that is three strikes against PE and yet they have the effrontery to take motorists to Court  for some minor infringement that PE themselves made up and most car parks manag perfctly well wothout these sharks.

As I said in a previous post PE now cannot transfer the charge from the driver to the keeper so do not divulge who was driving and they will have a very hard job to win should it go to Court.

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  • FTMDave changed the title to ParkingEye/DCB(L) ANPR PCN no.1. 15/09/2020 - Letter of Claim - Hallsville Quarter, London Basement And Surface

Hello,

Lookinforinfo - Thank you for the detailed breakdown and advice. It's much appreciated. 

FTMDAVE - I wanted to inform you that I've sent the assertive letters to both PE & DCBL via first-class post and obtained a proof of postage receipt.

Thanks

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choose files at the bottom of every msg box

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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How absolutely stupid of them.  They haven't even read your letter properly.

Just ignore it.  You've told them to do their worst.

 

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DCBL are just a DCA in this and the Bailiff part is not applicable.

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Hello everyone,

I hope this message finds you well. Unfortunately, I've received a claim form from the Court this morning, and I've attached the documentation for your reference. I'm reaching out for some guidance on how to proceed in this situation.

It seems that I'll need to prepare a defence, but I'm feeling a bit uncertain about the process since I haven't had experience with it before. If anyone could offer some advice or assistance on how to move forward, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you in advance. 

 

Parking Eye - Claim Form - 15-09-2020.pdf

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Hi.

Could you post up the questions and your answers in the forum sticky please? This will help us to advise.

Also you need to read the part of the sticky on what to do next on MCOL.

HB

 

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Hi,

Please see below and I will read on the sticky as advised in the meantime. 

Which Court have you received the claim from: MCOL Northampton N1

Name of the Claimant : Parking Eye LTD, 40 Eaton Avenue, Buckshaw Village, Lancashire, PR7 7NA          

Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal LTD, Direct House, Greenwood drive, WA7 1UG 

Date of issue: 27/03/2024 

Date for AOS: 12/04/2024 

Date to submit Defence: 26/04/2024

What is the claim for: 
1) The defendant (D) is indebted to the Claimant (C) for a parking charge(s) issued to vehicle **** *** at Hallsville Quarter, London Basement and Surface. 

2) The PCN(s) were issued on 15/09/2020. 

3) The defendant is pursued as the driver of the vehicle for breach of the terms on the signs (the contract). Reason: Vehicle remained on private property in the breach of the prominently displayed terms and conditions. 

4) In the alternative the defendant is pursued as the keeper pursuant to POFA 2012, Schedule 4. And the claimant claims 1. £170 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £.03 until judgement or sooner payment. 3 Costs and court fees

What is the value of the claim: £170

Amount Claimed: £220.36

court fees: £35

legal rep fees: £50

Total Amount: £305.36

Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN: No

Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform: Yes - 26/01/2024 - not replied

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It will likely be use the basic 3 or 4 line defence on MCOL, two points to note they are trying the old  either or  contention off Driver or keeper again, has to be one or the other

If Keeper they can only sue for the original amount so the  extra £70 they class as Damages not applicable.  Anyway the other's will be along soon.

PE's favourite case Beavis should work against them if suing Keeper.

 

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If you read through this short thread you'll see every stage of the legal process  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/406892-highview-parking-anpr-pcn-claimform-urban-exchange-manchester-claim-dismissed/#comments

The important first steps are to do Acknowledgement of Service and also send a CPR request.

I see PE have messed up by sending you a LoC for £100 but then suing for £170.

 

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please note your corrected dates for AOS and defence filing...

 

pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform.
[if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time]
.
When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. 
Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. 
You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word.

You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. 
You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.<<**IMPORTANT**

 then log in to the bulk court Website
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 select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.
.
 then using the details required from the claimform
.
defend all
leave jurisdiction unticked
 you DO NOT file a defence at this time
[BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ]
click thru to the end
confirm and exit the website

.get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything

.you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you. I'll review the thread and initiate the AOS process accordingly. I'm encountering some trouble logging into the claim portal. It keeps indicating that either the claim number or password is incorrect. Currently, I'm on hold with the court to resolve this issue.

A quick query regarding the CPR request: Should it be directed to DCB Legal? If so, I'll ensure to dispatch it today.

Appreciate your support.

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read the guide!!

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Sorry DX.. I have sent CPR request off to solicitors just now.

Been holding on the phone for almost an hour now to recover the claim password, not getting through to MCOL for some reason and cannot log in to acknowledge the claim...

Should AOS via the form provided perhaps?

If not I will keep trying until they close at 5pm today.

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they close at 4pm. but leave it 

try AOS again tomorrow.

not rush you have till the 12th.

stop panicking take things SLOWLY and read things carefully.

hope you didn't use email for that CPR??

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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was worried there.

dont forget until today mcol has not been manned since 4pm thursday.

they ALWAYS have issues over the w/end and always take atleast a good few days over these bank holiday extended w/ends to sort the backlog out. as the phones are really hot for days.

leave it till end of week if not tuesday next week.

dont keep trying as it'll just lock you out.

not due till the 12th and even then it can be emailed. not an issue...for a LiP.

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Dx,

I've managed to reach out to the money claims team.

I may have inadvertently logged into the claims system yesterday but accidentally closed the browser afterwards.

Unfortunately, the system only allows one login attempt with the provided code.

They've recommended that I submit the Acknowledgment of Service (AOS) via email, attaching the filled-out form to the message.

I'm just about to proceed with this, but I want to ensure that everything I've filled out is accurate.

Would you mind reviewing it and giving me the go-ahead to send it off?

Thanks a bunch

AOS - 03-04-2024.pdf

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