US elections November 2024 [amended 18/04/24 - HB]

[honeybee13]

Trump is looking less and less popular, over Covid and other things.

 

I'm not sure I'd be inspired to vote for someone who thinks the cognitive test he's talking about is too difficult for most people, especially Joe Biden. Is he confusing a congnitive test with an IQ one?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/23/person-woman-man-camera-tv-trump-insists-cognition-test-was-difficult

[dx100uk]

truth is the test he refers too was done in 2018!!

not recently at all.

 

USA has more than a quarter (143k) of the worlds deaths from covid 19 ...but only 4% of the worlds population...go figure ....blokes a prat...

[tobyjugg2]

So is Johnson

 

So whos pratting around voting for them

 

Bad as clinton was she was no Corbyn, so the yanks haven't even got that excuse.

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

I'm wondering how many voters will be turned off by the White House's handling of the George Floyd demos and the Covid crisis.

 

Part of the electorate will stay with Trump whatever, but at the moment he's trailing Biden in Texas which is bad news if it continues.

[London1971]

All Trump had to do to get re elected was make some empathetic speeches and defer to his scientists.

 

He screwed it up. He’s done , it’s over. 

[honeybee13]

You could be right, London. He's started the interminable Covid press conferences but without the scientists so far. They weren't invited yesterday.

[London1971]

Problem is, the American people are dying of Covid and he is out playing golf. It's like Marie Antoinette, let them eat cake!

 

People laugh and snark about Boris but ultimately he had empathy, ultimately he flattened the curve of the disease, ultimately he bailed the population out financially.  Trump did none of those things.

 

4 months ago there was no doubt in my mind that Trump would win, This will be studied by our great grandchildren in history books as to how rapidly things can turn.

 

And before anyone says the polls are wrong, they are at 4 times the margin of error!!! There are 3 months now until the election, Biden is not Hillary Clinton, no mud is sticking. In fact Biden doesn't have to do a thing, just give Trump enough rope and he'll hang himself.

[tobyjugg2]

21 hours ago, London1971 said:

 

People laugh and snark about Boris but ultimately he had empathy, ultimately he flattened the curve of the disease,

 

 

ultimately he bailed the population out financially.  Trump did none of those things.

 

 

 

 

He flattened the curve of the disease at best half of what he should have

 

and Johnsons gov were avoiding 4 million plus hitting the universal credit system and the immediate collapse of swathes of UK businesses,

yes thats better than Trump, but given the situation and the differences in the UK, his gov would have almost certainly collapsed if he hadn't

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

22 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

 Covid press conferences but without the scientists so far. They weren't invited yesterday.

 

Because most are now flatly saying Johnsons policies are not medical advice or medical science rather than simply muttering 'political decision'

[tobyjugg2]

interesting that Johnson has said there will be rises for the Judiciary, police and doctors

 

Well, the Judiciary have mostly been at home

Getting to actually see a GP, or even getting past 'every symptom is covid - isolate don't come in' has been and is a ferking disgrace

 

 

My other half and daughter in law, both NHS who have both been working right through the pandemic - longer hours and more responsibilities than normal

apparently still aint getting a penny extra.

 

 

 

 

[cjcregg]

1 hour ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Because most are now flatly saying Johnsons policies are not medical advice or medical science rather than simply muttering 'political decision'

 

You mean Trump, right?

[tobyjugg2]

Either/or

I was referring to Johnson

but Trump fits equally well there

... Just a matter of degree and what each thinks they can get away with in most areas

 

Like johnson would never get away with 4-9 million extra unemployed and tens of thousands of Tory voting small businesses down the pan

Trump doesn't care - cheap slave labour without using Mexicans

.. Johnson just wishes he could

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[cjcregg]

On 23/07/2020 at 14:31, London1971 said:

 

People laugh and snark about Boris but ultimately he had empathy, ultimately he flattened the curve of the disease, ultimately he bailed the population out financially.  Trump did none of those things.

 

 

Yes and at least Johnson has admitted there were mistakes in not locking down sooner, something you couldn't imagine Corbyn doing.

[tobyjugg2]

Surely you mean Johnson makes feeble excuses for the results of terrible personally driven policies and practices and claims it wasn't his fault

... just like Trump and Corbyn have and continue to do

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[cjcregg]

Jeez, keep up !

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53525450

[tobyjugg2]

I'm reading excuses - and feeble ones

 

"the prime minister has said he took the "right decisions at the right time", based on the advice of scientists."

 

 "We didn't understand [the virus] in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months."

 

" "I think it's fair to say that there are things that we need to learn about how we handled it in the early stages

 

""Maybe there were things we could have done differently, and of course there will be time to understand what exactly we could have done

 

 

Do read what you link

 

[cjcregg]

PMSL you do make me laugh.

[tobyjugg2]

So show a single clearly defined mistake admitted or apology

 

From refusing PPE and UK PPE being sent to China

Lying about PPE being ordered and coming in from Turkey

Demonstrating Handshakes when there should have been care

18 million people admitted/returned into the UK untested and unchecked

SPADS and ministers P*ing all over lockdown while fining ordinary folk

 

.. theres lots and lots of cretinous decisions for him to pick a clear apology from

.. and not a single one - just like Corbyn and Trump

[honeybee13]

Mr Johnson said: "Maybe there were things we could have done differently, and of course there will be time to understand what exactly we could have done, or done differently."

 

It's nice to see he takes full responsiblity for what the government has done. But I disagree with the time to understand comment, a second wave could be pretty soon.

 

[London1971]

Yup, Johnson did a poor job, as did Macron, Spain, Italy, just nobody in this country follows any other country aside from the US and Australia.  The Belgian PM is taking, deservedly a lot of flack.

 

But, not one of them, Johnson included can be compared with Trump.  He is on the spectrum of normality, and believe me I don't like Boris one bit.  Trump is like Marie Antoinette, telling the people to eat cake.  The population is dropping like flies, but he is playing golf, tweeting about fake news, boasting about his achievements and some cognitive test a 5 year old could complete.

 

Lets not forget this is the man in control of the worlds largest nuclear aresnal, and has the ability to destroy every major city on earth. All in all it makes the likes of Boris, Macron etc, seem like small fry.

[honeybee13]

Could we try to remember this is a US elections thread please.

 

I've also replied to posts about the UK on here, hands up. I may be moving some posts to the Covid thread started by tobyjugg.

[tobyjugg2]

14 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Mr Johnson said: "Maybe there were things we could have done differently, and of course there will be time to understand what exactly we could have done, or done differently."

 

It's nice to see he takes full responsiblity for what the government has done. But I disagree with the time to understand comment, a second wave could be pretty soon.

 

 

Maybe If he had left out that Maybe ....

[honeybee13]

Ah, a fellow pedant.   Good point.

[tobyjugg2]

changes a weak but arguably an actual apology into nothing but an excuse and avoidance at best in my eyes

 

A simple apology with a clearly defined focus is what is needed

 

 

and given how often he does munge and obscure a required apology, quite clearly says to me that no apology was or is intended. Quite the opposite.

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]