Mutating Corona Virus

[honeybee13]

Even if gaining immunity naturally allows the virus to mutate until potentially it can overcome the vaccines?

 

Plus there could be a lot of cases of Long Covid in the under-18s.

[honeybee13]

Here's a[nother] article on vaccinating children.

 

COVID-19: Europe is rolling out coronavirus vaccines to children - should the UK follow suit?

NEWS.SKY.COM

---

About half of European countries plan to roll out their vaccination programmes to children aged 12 and over.

 

[honeybee13]

That's just awful. Surely they can figure out a way for someone to use the vaccines by the end of this month? France as an example could use up a million vaccines in two or three days.

 

Poorer countries would be a better idea or maybe Covax could have them.

[honeybee13]

This is why I don't want my details on the NHSX database.

 

Thousands of patients hit by NHS data breaches

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

---

Fears over privacy after personal details shared with strangers

 

[honeybee13]

This is Christina Pagel when Indie Sage met yesterday.

 

 

[honeybee13]

Someone has drawn up a depressing list of money wasted by HMG since last year.

 

[honeybee13]

Herd immunity.

[honeybee13]

What death rate is acceptable, hightail?

[honeybee13]

it is quite likely new Covid variants will be found that the current vaccines are not very effective against.

 

The way it looks to me with protections being suspended is that the UK could be breeding its own variants pretty soon, sadly.

[honeybee13]

From The Health Foundation.

 

This quote jumps out from data published in March this year.

 

In a bad flu year on average around 30,000 people in the UK die from flu and pneumonia, with a loss of around 250,000 life years. This is a sixth of the life years lost to COVID-19.

 

One year on: Three myths about COVID-19 that the data proved wrong

WWW.HEALTH.ORG.UK

---

The Health Foundation is an independent charity committed to bringing about better health and health care for people in the UK. Find out more...

 

[honeybee13]

Here's an article from the Guardian about Covid compared with flu.

 

 

Why living with Covid would not be the same as flu | Coronavirus | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

---

Analysis: coronavirus is more contagious and more lethal than influenza, and we lack the same global protection mechanism

 

[honeybee13]

Jacinda is so right and has been throughout. She doesn't accept that any level of deaths is acceptable. HMG aren't letting on what number they will accept. They're also ignoring the possibility of new variants developing and overcoming the virus or of unvaccinated under-18s, who aren't going to be vaccinated at all AIUI, passing on the virus to vaccinated family this is starting to happen.

 

Anthony Costello, ex WHO and member of Indie Sage, has caught the virus despite being double-vaxxed.

 

‘Living with the virus’ makes no sense. Only half of the UK is fully vaccinated | Anthony Costello | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

---

We’re heading towards 100,0000 Covid cases a day, yet ministers laud ‘freedom day’. It seems no one is accountable, says academic Anthony...

 

[honeybee13]

From Mike Ryan at the WHO about the UK ditching safeguards.

 

 

[honeybee13]

A few people on Twitter and this article in the Mirror are saying that the UK doesn't have enojugh non-A/Z vaccines for the under-18s.

 

UK ‘running short on Pfizer vaccine as appointments are cancelled due to supply' - Mirror Online

WWW.MIRROR.CO.UK

---

Dr Clare Gerada, who sits on the NHS Assembly, claimed that some patients were having their second jab slots pushed back because there is “very few...

 

[honeybee13]

It does sound that way, BN, sadly. It's the same mistakes being made all over again and no sign of the outcome being any different than the previous times.

 

TJ, interesting points in both your posts above. One thing I haven't seen, maybe you have, is what the current scientific opinion is on how long immunity lasts after double-vaccination or having Covid. Have you read anything about that?

 

 

[honeybee13]

The other thing I'm not clear on is whether the UK has messed up on vaccine ordering. Or is it nationalistic reliance on A/Z?

[honeybee13]

Have you seen anything about the length of time they think vaccine immunity lasts? I've seen anything from 6 months to 12.

[honeybee13]

The only thing I remember about smaller doses is that they discovered a Pfizer phial contained one more dose in mililitres than they thought there was.

[honeybee13]

Oh right, I don't think I saw that. Is it being proposed, TJ?

[honeybee13]

This video from The Citizens has brought together scientists to talk about the government's current strategy with the virus.

 

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1mnGeadwWvQGX

[honeybee13]

On balance I would allow 4 more weeks of restrictions to allow more vaccinations and see if hospital admission numbers improve. I would not gamble on a prediction that numbers will start to look better in a few weeks following this sudden easing of measures.

 

If Boris has got this wrong, then we are in for a really bad Autumn/winter period for the country as the NHS struggles. 

 

It's not just the NHS struggling though, is it, UB? It's lives needlessly lost. I'm with Jacinda Ardern and her people, quoted from the Guardian.

 

'New Zealand has dismissed suggestions it should follow in Britain’s footsteps to “live with” Covid-19, saying the level of death proposed by Boris Johnson would be “unacceptable”.'

[honeybee13]

France has made it complusory for healthcare and social care workers to be vaxxed. Plus volunteers who visit elderly or vulnerable people. From 15th September, they won't be paid or allowed to work.

 

The health passport that shows vax status and test results will be expanded to cover restaurants, cinemas, cultural venues and long-distance train and bus travel.

 

There's been an explosion in demand for appointments to be vaxxed, the Doctolib website reports that 1 million were booked through their website alone.

 

 

[honeybee13]

Thank you HTnerd.

[honeybee13]

Which type of test are you using?

[honeybee13]

Just had to google that. It's an antigen test? I'm not sure if it's a LFT, excuse my ignorance?