Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Good to know

Everyone I know had the moderna bi-valent so far , with roughly a quarter/third so far having some relatively mild but unwelcome and week+ persistent issues (headaches, feeling generally rundown/a bit rough) and over half having a notably sorer arm than with prior booster jabs

 

My arm was sorer even compared to my prior single strain moderna booster. But I'm trying to recall (unreliably) whether flu jabs gave be a sore arm too

Edited November 6, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 04/05/2020 at 16:02, tobyjugg2 said:

While we wait for someone to come up with something (other than herd immunity survival of the fittest) showing a plan from Johnson,

 

 

Regarding allowing these shysters (the Tory government and their private business pals) access to your movements etc ...

 

Coronavirus: Plan to use private firm at centre of outsourcing scandal to run contact tracing

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-tests-contact-tracing-serco-g4s-private-firm-a9497371.html

 

"A plan to use a private firm at the centre of an outsourcing scandal to help run the ‘test-and-trace’ system crucial to curbing Covid-19 has drawn criticism.

Labour hit out at ministers after it emerged that Serco – and probably other giant contractors such as G4S – will carry out most of the contact tracing work, by recruiting 15,000 call centre staff."

 

"Last year, the outsourcing giant was fined £19.2m by the Serious Fraud Office as part of a settlement over an electronic tagging scandal, also paying £3.7m in costs.

 

Both Serco and G4S were accused of charging the government for electronically monitoring people who were either dead, in jail, or had left the country."

 

 

"Mr Hancock has been accused of a “missed opportunity” by failing to sign up around 5,000 local council environmental health workers – and thousands more in the private sector, now furloughed in the shutdown. (who) have years of tracing the victims of salmonella, Legionnaires’ disease and even norovirus, but Public Health England made no effort to deploy them earlier in the crisis."

 

Not surprising given

Google executive took part in Sage meeting, tech firm confirms

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/google-executive-took-part-in-sage-meeting-coronavirus-tech-firm-confirms

 

"Demis Hassabis, a co–founder of Google’s artificial intelligence division, DeepMind, attended a meeting of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) on 18 March, when the group was considering whether the UK should go into lockdown."

 

"While Hassabis is considered a world-leading AI researcher, the presence on Sage of an executive from a Silicon Valley company that has been exploring ways to profit from using big data in the health industry is likely to deepen controversy about the group."

 

"DeepMind previously processed millions of healthcare records from an NHS hospital trust as part of a scheme to design a diagnostic app, in an arrangement subsequently found to have contravened data protection law. DeepMind’s health unit was transferred to the parent company’s health division last year.

 

 

 

Wonder whether it was his expertise or his willingness to ignore data protection requirements, which NHS (or environmental health) professionals - were they actually running it - certainly wouldn't ignore...

... or both perhaps + future private profit from the data ...

 

 

Be darned if I'm having that app installed on my phone.

 

 

 

anyway - so the plan so far seems to be:

This is an automated message, do not reply:

You've been within 10 feet or so of a person who has corona-virus, or somebody whos been near somebody who has corona-virus.

We aren't going to test you - just self isolate for 14 days, and don't forget to sort something out for yourself to get food without going out ...

because If you do go out, even without your phone we're watching you ...

 

 

reminder

[honeybee13]

I don't watch I'm a Celeb and don't plan to. The headlines are bad enough.

 

This article is more about viewers who largely seem to think Hancock is a hypocrite. If he' s so keen on 'forgiveness', why hasn't he met representatives of the bereaved people and those who lost relatives in care homes where infectious patients were despatched to clear hospitals?

 

'I'm A Celebrity' viewers furious over Matt Hancock's plea for 'forgiveness'

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People couldn't believe the disgraced MP was asking the public to forgive his pandemic actions.

 

[brassnecked]

Hancock needs a criminal charges and carting off for questioning, his purchase of vast quantities of Midazolam and its liberal use in Care Homes and NHS also is questionable. given its use in USA as an Execution drug, part of their lethal injection process.

[honeybee13]

I hadn't seen that one, BN. Can you tell me more?

[brassnecked]

He stocked up on it and went trough 2 years supply in less than a year apparently

 Midazolam was diverted from France to UK.  

 

It just gives so much ammunition to some conspiracy theorists that Matt Hancock should answer questions over the discharge of Covid patients into care homes many not tested. as should Drakeford and Gething in Wales.to establish the facts.

 

Number of prescriptions for the drug midazolam doubled during height of the pandemic  | Daily Mail Online

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Official figures show out-of-hospital prescribing of the drug midazolam increased by more than 100 per cent in April compared to previous months...

 

Supplies of sedative used for COVID-19 patients diverted from France to avoid potential shortages - The Pharmaceutical Journal

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Supplies of the sedative midazolam have been diverted from France as a “precaution” to mitigate potential shortages in the NHS caused by...

 

[tobyjugg2]

WARNING: ABOVE appears to quite LITERALLY be DAVID ICKE STUFF from the Mail

 

Read the second linked article first - or preferably only

 

also consider

* the mail article appears to be an offshoot of some david icke (son of God , Shape shifting Lizard rulers guy) claims (from what i can garner of the trashy layout) - Is this the guy inerviewed (see link @ bottom)

* Midazolam is listed by the Royal College of Anaesthetists as a “first-line” sedative in the management of COVID-19 patients, and warns in guidance published on 2 April 2020 that it “may be subject to demand pressure”.

 

 

Nutter brigade source detail (it is of course also on Divid ickes sites):

https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/midazolam-the-scandal-that-cannot-be-ignored/

 

 

David Icke

Literally started by hearing voices telling him about weird doodoo in an empty motel room

Claimed to be the son of god on wogan

Claims the royal family and leaders of the world are literally shape shifting alien lizards

Edited November 13, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

So @brassnecked

 

Did you NOT:

* Realise the sources of that Mail article? If not why not - basic sanity (sic) check would show it

 

* Realise that the drug referred is something thats used in dire circumstances to alleviate stress/anxiety related aggravation of symptoms - including stress/anxiety related increases to breathing difficulty? If not why not - a quick basic sanity (sic) check would highlight exactly that.

 

and DO you * Actually believe the David icke stuff that comes purely from disembodied voices in empty motel rooms (or the Mail)?

(and as asked above where did you confirm that article .... other than David Icke related sources?)

 

.. pretty please?

Edited November 14, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

oh dear the "the Climate Emergency"/Covid scams in full flow

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/16/ukhsa-chief-jenny-harries-attempts-to-blame-excess-deaths-on-climate-change/

[tobyjugg2]

[tobyjugg2]

39 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

 in full flow

 

You certainly are - and Still not reaching France

 

[theoldrouge]

Good to see the PomPom Girls of the vaccine (other than @tobyjugg2of course)rowing back as fast as possible
The latest being Piers Morgan in interviewing Andrew Tate said "the vaccine lost me when I found that they had lied to us about the vaccine protecting Granny

[tobyjugg2]

Says the germy knobs of reality denial spouting their crap

More than a few David Icke rants/support on that site isn't there

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Nobody has to take the vaccine, I'm sure we'll all make our own decisions.

[tobyjugg2]

The real situation inc Piers Morgan mistaken and misrepresented via selective cutting

What he said was NOT what  @theoldrougepresents, is VERY interpretable, and is awaiting clarification from Morgan

 

"however, in the complete interview on YouTube, Morgan disputes Tate’s point.  "

 

Debunk: No, it isn’t true that vaccines have little effect on COVID-19 transmission

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Piers Morgan’s claim is contradicted by numerous studies

 

 

so like I said - more [removed - HB] reality denying

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

So tell us @theoldrouge

 

Still running with the stance that its all a conspiracy by

The NHS

BMA

CDC

UN

WHO

... err tell you what - just look up any significant national medical association and add it (Well, apart from a few US republican trumpty dumpty political appointees)

 

and only the nutter David Icke conspiracy loving sites are telling the truth? Even when they are clearly lying?

- Bonkers.

 

If you want to talk sensibly about the failings of aspects of the approach - more than happy to.

Talk complete bo**ocks conspiracy doodoo, and I'll treat it as such

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

@honeybee13

 

Still have that linked mask benefits poster as a refresher please?

[honeybee13]

I don't think I do, no.

[tobyjugg2]

A reminder of facts from 2021

 

Main point

• Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals.

 

Examples:

 

Notable Anti-Vaxxers Who Have Died From COVID-19

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Here is a list of notable anti-vaxxers who have died from COVID-19.

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

On 05/01/2022 at 23:14, tobyjugg2 said:

Dont get me wrong - I think I understand the doubts which lying **** feed and fester for some deviant reason,

but the clear and defined actual RISKS of severe harm or death Covid brings to an unborn baby and mother - double the risk of stillborn, and treble the risk of premature birth reported from credible quality sources if the mother gets covid - overwhelmingly outweighs any slight possibility of theoretically not against the laws of physics but actually vanishingly unlikely future issue caused by a vaccine which doesn't warrant more than quickly passing consideration at most.

 

The ingredients and effects of the components of these vaccines are well known.  Even the mRNA component is decades old technology.

Are they guaranteed 100% safe - not quite,

BUT getting covid pretty much guarantees harm - its just how much harm that varies, but DOES include a significant risk of the death of you, mother, child, family and friends as well as a lot of significant damage falling short of  killing you and/or your loved ones

- and vaccination pretty much guarantees to reduce the harm - significantly

 

- and spaces in ambulances and hospitals are getting hard to find.

 

 

Circa 2,000 covid hospitalisations a day

Over a million people with debilitating symptoms described as 'long covid'

over 330 people reported DEAD of covid in just the last 24 hours with well over a thousand DEAD in just the last week - and rising

- Thats pretty damn real

 

 

Reminder of realities.

[tobyjugg2]

On 04/08/2021 at 13:38, honeybee13 said:

Here it is, I posted it on 19th July.

 

 

Important reminder

Add to the very roughly 30% (dependant on many factors) average reduction in transmission imparted by vaccination

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

So where have all the posts since August gone?

Someone been fiddling with the site code again?

Laptops processor melting down trying to load site pages

 

What no Lizards?

 

Conspiracy theorist ‘planned to topple government with attacks on phone masts and M1’

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Oliver Lewin believed white people across Europe were being ‘systematically killed by the Covid vaccine’

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Ah missing pages now back

 

This is interesting

Almost twice as many Republicans than Democrats died of Covid

The gap in death rates between the parties grew substantially after the vaccines were introduced

 

Almost twice as many Republicans than Democrats died of Covid, study says

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The gap in death rates between the parties grew substantially after the vaccines were introduced

 

 

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30512/w30512.pdf

[theoldrouge]

“Disturbed and Alarmed”: 66 Doctors, Clinicians and Scientists Call for Stop to Covid Vaccination of Pregnant Women Over Serious Safety Concerns

 

https://www.hartgroup.org/safety-concerns-re-covid-19-vaccinations-in-pregnancy/

[tobyjugg2]

“Disturbed and Alarmed”: 

Millions of Doctors, Clinicians, Scientists and medical institutions alarmed that 66 of their alleged peers Call for Stop to Covid Vaccination of Pregnant Women

 

 

 

Vaccinations in pregnancy - NHS

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Find out about vaccines in pregnancy – recommended ones, travel ones, and those best to avoid until after you've had your baby.

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by tobyjugg2