VCS PCN - no stopping - spycar pix - Robin Hood Airport, Doncaster

[gwen80]

Hi there

 

I would appreciate some help with this. 

 

My Mum received the above described NTK and I've been trying unsuccessful to figure out how to approach this and not gotten very far. 

Now she has to decide by tomorrow whether to pay the reduced fee or otherwise how it will be dealt with. 

 

My Mum stopped on a road near the airport.  I've asked her how long she stopped for and she says she doesn't remember, but then one time she did say it might have been about 10 minutes?! 

 

My Mum does get quite confused sometimes, so I really don't know... 

The images are all taken within a minute of each other.  

 

The NTK does state that they have the right to 'recover from you, the keeper, any unpaid balance of the parking charge'.  

 

I'm not sure if bye-laws apply here or even how they apply and what it means. 

 

Please note that the photographs could appear that she was causing an obstruction, so that needs to be considered.

 

Thanks in advance

 

[dx100uk]

woe slow down

there is no time limit she has to abide by

all airports are covered by the relevant byelaws with trump silly speculative invoices

 

there are 100's of threads here on no stopping 

 

please complete this

and scan up the NTK bothsides to ONE multipage pdf

after carefully redacting any pers info the could ID HER 

 

read upload.

[DiecastDave]

The PCN is a Parking Charge Notice and not a Penalty Charge Notice also a PCN but that is usually used by councils for over staying your time when you pay at the machines and some private car parks.

 

You need to ask the airport staff for confirmation that they can charge for this as it is private land however, if they can do this then you have a right to appeal which should be set out on the PCN you have been issued with.

 

My Brother has fought 74 Parking Charge Notice tickets for parking on private land and he has won:::::::::74

I think he uses the name TickyMicky

 

I'm a newbie here but I will try and contact him tomorrow by text or email

DiecastDave

[dx100uk]

its come from excel or vcs nothing to do with the airport authority

 

dx

 

 

[brassnecked]

No way should she have to pay a bean, VCS?Excel or whatever suit Simon has on today, cannot do anything about a stopping event, it isn't parking and is covered by Bye laws. There are quite a few threads on here regarding VCS and their bogus Airport parking by stopping shenanigans.  If they did try court they have no Locus Standi or lawful cause to ground an action.

[gwen80]

Thanks for all the help so far.  Please find the information needed below:

 

1 Date of the infringement 20/10/19

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 24/10/19

 

3 Date received Last week, not entirely sure which day

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  Not specifically

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?  Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] N

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

 

7 Who is the parking company? VCS Ltd

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Robin Hood Airport, Doncaster

 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS

 

There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure,

please check HERE

 

If you have received any other correspondence, please mention it here No other correspondence received

 

I don't have a scanner.  I've taken photos of the NTK, but trying to figure out how to edit the personal info and merge them into one pdf...I'll upload as soon as I can.

 

 

 

Sorry I'm struggling to upload the 2nd page due to the maximum total size.

 

 

Thanks dx.  Hopefully this works ok.

NTK-min.pdf

[Mrs O'Frog]

So they are DYLs that she stopped at. As a general rule:

 

1) On private land DYLs have NO meaning and are unenforceable (unless specifically part of a contract agreed to).

 

2) On public highways they are enforceable by the RELEVANT AUTHORITY. That means the boys in blue or a LA officer (traffic warden as was), but NOT VCS and their ilk.

 

Now land around airports is 99.999999% covered by Bye-laws regardless of anybody claiming ownership, private land or whatever. Bye-laws are enforced by the RELEVANT AUTHORITY (as 2 above). If VCS were feeling especially generous they could pay to raise a private claim against your mother, but they would have to be nuts since anything she had to pay (if she was found guilty) would go to the crown and not to VCS, since it's not a civil matter.

 

Technically, what she has is a spam letter. VCS are hoping she doesn't understand that this is nowt to do with them and coughs up. Much the same as the occasional emails telling you that a long lost relative has left you a gazillion dollars in their will, so please send us $300 to get the bank draft drawn up. At best it's an offer to pay them to avoid prosecution, but what are they going to do? Grass her up? Lose money prosecuting her themselves? Nah, neither.

 

Just keep quiet and sit on this, ignore them as you would that spam email. They will probably send her ever more scary letters, but as long as she doesn't give their fishing line a tug, they may just give up and look for an easier target. The only time to respond is if she receives a letter before claim or a claim form from Northampton. At that point we can help her with a suitable scathing response.

[ericsbrother]

To simplify the above and add to it, "no stopping" isnt an offer to park so no contract ca be created by such an offer as the only way of forming the contract is to break it. As saqid, the land ios covered by its own byelaws and these have nothing to do with VCS. they also use methods to capture their evidence theat are in breach of the rules for operating or managing car parks.

They will make a lot of noise and may even be tempted to sue your mother for this supposed debt but they will lose as long as the claim is defended popinting out the well known truths of no locus standi and no offer and consideration to form a contract

[gwen80]

So we shouldn't even appeal it?  Just ignore?  

 

ericsbrother - Who are ios?  

[ericsbrother]

no you dont appeal.

ios=is, ie land IS covered by its own laws, same as harbours and docks.

i have MS so writing is a problem and typos are all too common

[brassnecked]

Do NOT appeal, as you then ID the driver, you don't want to do that as the protection of POFA is lost, however as Mrs O'Frog and ericsbrother indicate VCS have no jurisdiction here, sit on it until you get a Letter Of Claim, then send VCS one of ericsbrothers snotty letters pointing out that you and they know they have no Locus Standi, and no contract to claim diddly squat.

[gwen80]

Sorry I thought it was another acronym!  Thank you