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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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So I’ve had no response and it looks like a ccj will be issued on April 1st.

 

Ive swung by the garage tonight and unsurprisingly he’s changed his signs on his garage to a new name. Now I’ve searched this name online and I can’t find it anywhere on companies house but his trading name is still on there as active.

 

Where do I potentially stand with all this?

 

Could I still pursue him even if he has changed the company name?

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Just to get things straight, they supplied you with a receipt with the limited liability company name on it. Is that correct?

Is that still the same name that they are operating under now?

 

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Yes I have the receipt with their trading name on there.

 

They have changed their signage to a new name but I don’t know if they are trading under this name, I can’t find it on companies house but I can find the name which they sold the car to me under.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well here's the companies house entry for this company. You had better check on your receipt that this is the one that you have there. There are several others with very similar names which are dissolved – but I don't know if they are connected. Notice that these ones haven't supplied any accounts they are overdue.

If this is the name on the receipt then I suppose that you better sue them in that name – but you better watch out for trouble.

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In fact I just realised that you posted up some of his company information already. – Still it looks a bit worrying.

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9 minutes ago, BankFodder said:

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Well here's the companies house entry for this company. You had better check on your receipt that this is the one that you have there. There are several others with very similar names which are dissolved – but I don't know if they are connected. Notice that these ones haven't supplied any accounts they are overdue.

If this is the name on the receipt then I suppose that you better sue them in that name – but you better watch out for trouble.

 

Yep that’s the exact name on my receipt and that’s the name which I’ve used in my court documents. My worry is he’s now changed his signage to RS Cars but I can’t find that company anywhere.

 

You can see he’s done this before and I’m concerned he’s going to slip out the net and start over without any repercussions. How are these people allowed to get away with it.

 

April 1st can’t come soon enough to get this CCJ enforced, although he’ll no doubt get out of that as well. 

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Keep an eye on the companies house web check to see if there are any moves to dissolve the company. When it comes to issuing the claim, you could issue in the name of the limited company, trading as ECars UK and RSCars.

It won't make a little difference – if his limited liability company is still going then that will be good enough – but you may as well cite his trading names as well. It will do you no harm.

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Ok that’s a very good point.

 

Thank you very much for your advice up to this point, it’s much appreciated.

 

I’ll update when the situation changes.

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An update,

 

So his time is up and I had no response (shock), I’ve now pursued the CCJ and I will be informed within 14 days as to whether it will be granted or not.

 

Bit disappointed he’s got all this time seemingly trying to avoid paying by trading under a different name. That new name is still not registered with companies house but the name he sold the car to me under is still registered and trading so there is hope.

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Small update,

 

I’ve been on holidays the last 14 days and in that time the paperwork came from the courts ordering him to pay. I know he’s going to outright ignore it so I have instructed the bailiffs to act today. They will contact me when they have received the writ from the high court.

 

I still feel this guy will dodge this bullet somehow but I’m hoping the bailiffs give him a fright when they turn up.

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Can you remind me what is the value of the judgement?

 

 

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Looking over this straight very quickly I see that the judgement is probably for about £2,000. This is over the £600 threshold which allows you to have the judgement enforced by high court enforcement officers. You say that you have instructed bailiffs. Is that correct? if it is correct then it was a mistake and you should try to take the instruction back from the bailiffs and have the matter transferred up using the high court enforcement officers. It should only cost you about £66 and the rest of the enforcement fee will be levied against the garage. You need to get this confirmed in writing from the hceo but they will not come back to you if the enforcement fails.

 

the bailiffs are nearly powerless and are easily turned away where else hceo have got real teeth. You must have his enforced by hceo

 

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Oh seems I have made a mistake there then.

Yes it’s for around £2200 in total now and I did instruct the bailiffs as I was advised to, in hindsight perhaps I should of came here first.

 

Just checking and on my email it does say high court enforcement who are now getting a sealed high court writ, maybe I am using the incorrect terminology?

 

Also it did cost me £66 so I’m guessing that’s what I’ve done which I thought is instructing the bailiffs but clearly not.

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Yes it sounds as if you may have done the right thing. Where did you get your advice from?

I'm not sure how helpful it is to you to be popping around picking up advice from different places because it seems to lack continuity. At the very least if you asked for advice here you should doublecheck what we have to say as well as following your other advice sources.

If you have had the matter transferred-up then are you sure that you are definitely on a no-collection-no-fee basis? If you aren't then a collection failure could have catastrophic financial consequences for you. Were you advised this by your other source of advice?

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I suppose you have seen this 

 

 

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I looked online as to what to do after receiving the court order, I thought that I was going in the correct direction with regards enforcement officers. 

 

Ive written off my losses already for the vehicle, I’ll be surprised if I get anything out of him but I’m going to check the no collection no fee basis as that is excellent advice.

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I suppose if I criticise you about the way that your lack of constancy in taking advice you will tell me that I'm being a bit harsh. 

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Possibly, I’ve taken every bit of advice given off here though, it’s been a great help. You do have to remember that most people including myself come here because we lack the knowledge. 

 

I’m open for criticism when deserved no matter how harsh I believe it is though. I actually think the whole process has been fine if not a bit drawn out because of my lack of knowledge.

 

 

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Yes, you've taken our advice – but when it came to enforcement you sought it somewhere else. It seems as if you may have stumbled on the correct approach – but I hope also that means that you have protected yourself from a collection failure. If you haven't, it might be quite serious.

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You’re absolutely correct, I think I dived in a bit too soon with regards collection instead of seeking advice here. I’ve gone on their t&c’s and it says £75 per address if they are unsuccessful.

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Okay it looks as if you are protected. The collection fee for this kind of thing is normally over £2000. If they manage to enforce against the defendants then that is roughly what will be added to the final bill. This is not something that you really want to have any responsibility for

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6 minutes ago, BankFodder said:

Okay it looks as if you are protected. The collection fee for this kind of thing is normally over £2000. If they manage to enforce against the defendants then that is roughly what will be added to the final bill. This is not something that you really want to have any responsibility for

 

Jesus I would never have thought that. Thanks for the heads up.

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