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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Hello

 

A friend of mine let a DCBL bailiff into her home ( it was 6am, they looked like cops and they pushed into the doorway when the door was opened)

 

They waived a Writ of Control to justify entry and refusal to leave.

 

They now have a list of goods under control - one of these is a computer. While I understand they can take the computer, what is the status of the data stored on the machine?

 

In the meantime, I've applied for a N244 to create a payment schedule as she is vulnerable on health grounds (also the reason for not being able to pay the original CCJ that started all this)

 

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whats the CCJ all about?

 

not a parking charge I hope?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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ah so business to business debt

so the property they entered without being invited into was a business property?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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They can take the pc but must return the hard drive.

This is because

A.. Microsoft windows is a licensed to use product, you dont actually own it, just have the rights to use it and

B personal data, pictures documents cannot be siezed

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if the PC is stuff all to do with the business they cant touch anything...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hello

 

A friend of mine let a DCBL bailiff into her home ( it was 6am, they looked like cops and they pushed into the doorway when the door was opened)

 

They waived a Writ of Control to justify entry and refusal to leave.

 

They now have a list of goods under control - one of these is a computer. While I understand they can take the computer, what is the status of the data stored on the machine?

 

In the meantime, I've applied for a N244 to create a payment schedule as she is vulnerable on health grounds (also the reason for not being able to pay the original CCJ that started all this)

 

An application to 'set aside' is not often accepted but as the application has been made, it is best to wait a while to comment further. When was the N244 submitted?

 

I am assuming that no payment was made to DCBL?

 

How much is the debt and what charges have been applied?

 

What goods have been listed on the Controlled Goods Agreement?

 

You mention that your friend is 'vulnerable' (on health grounds). Was any evidence provided to DCBL when they attended?

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n245 vary the judgement might be better.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Wow - Thank you for all of your advice

 

The CCJ debt is £4,207

 

1 - She is a sole trader (freelance designer) working from home

 

2 - The N244 was submitted by hand at the High Court in the Strand explaining why payment has not been made (ill health and not able to work)

 

3 - The left a bill for £1111.20 ( an Enforcement Stage Fee) plus £90 ( Compliance Stage Fee)

 

4 - Goods listed on the Agreement are mostly of little value ( a TV ) - the rest are stuff related to work (PC and other tools) - Have invoices for the tools, the PC is old - I've had a solicitor countersign a declaration stating its not her's to lose

 

5 - It makes little sense to lose the tools, she wants to pay but needs the means to pay, which is what I've stated on the N244

 

6 - She is recently out of hospital, the discharge notes are a) attached to the N244 and were shown to the Bailiffs

 

Phew!

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Has your friend informed DCBL of the N244 Application?

 

Has the creditor been informed?

 

Has the creditor been made aware of the ill health of your friend?

 

Does your friend live in the London area? (just wondering why the 'set aside' application was taken to the High Court in the Strand?)

 

Did the enforcement officer indicate whether or when he would be re-attending?

 

PS: With the pending N244 application and the ill health of your friend (coupled with the fact that very few items have been taken into control) it is probably not worth complaining about the fees charged at this present time.

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I've Replied in Quote - Thanks

 

Has your friend informed DCBL of the N244 Application?

 

- Not yet, I felt it best to wait to hear from the court

Has the creditor been informed?

 

- As above

 

Has the creditor been made aware of the ill health of your friend?

 

- Not yet

 

Does your friend live in the London area? (just wondering why the 'set aside' application was taken to the High Court in the Strand?)

 

- Yes

 

Did the enforcement officer indicate whether or when he would be re-attending?

- A vague threat this morning to come back and bump up the fees

 

PS: With the pending N244 application and the ill health of your friend (coupled with the fact that very few items have been taken into control) it is probably not worth complaining about the fees charged at this present time.

 

- Understood

 

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Have you asked for a set a side on the n244 ?

 

" In the meantime, I've applied for a N244 to create a payment schedule "

 

N245 is the correct form as per post #8 above .

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In the meantime, I've applied for a N244 to create a payment schedule as she is vulnerable on health grounds (also the reason for not being able to pay the original CCJ that started all this)

 

Is there a reason why you decided to submit a 'set aside' application as opposed to an application to 'vary' the court order by way of an N245?

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Is there a reason why you decided to submit a 'set aside' application as opposed to an application to 'vary' the court order by way of an N245?

 

They have not submitted an N244 to set a side...they submitted an application to set a payment arrangement BA..only you have referred to it being an application to set a side ?

 

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Hi All

 

I was advised by a bailiff advice service to file a N244 with the wording "The applicant applies to the court to stay the writ"

 

I'm guessing I will need to get a N245 in place asking for a hearing to have a payment schedule put into place.

 

My only worry is the bailiffs knocking on her door while I'm getting it sorted

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The N245 should have also been used to Stay the Writ....along with arranging a payment plan.

 

No need for the N244

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We could do with some help from you.

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That site you used wants closing down!!

Hope you didn't have to pay to get that useless n244 advice???

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks again - I will get the N245 submitted ASAP

 

We paid £50 to submit the N244 but no other fees, thank goodness.

 

Does a N245 submission normally lead to a hearing with a judge?

 

No ......the court informs the claimant of your offer..they can accept or reject...the court can set payment level of its own accord...or very rarely the claimant can insist on a hearing...but that another procedure for the claimant to action.

 

The N245 is £50..obviously this well versed website has given you the wrong form number.

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Sorry, got to come in here. Splishy, the N244 is absolutely fine to use - it's a general application form that's used for stays, set-asides, variations and warrant suspensions. You don't need to spend another £50 on an N245.

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Sorry, got to come in here. Splishy, the N244 is absolutely fine to use - it's a general application form that's used for stays, set-asides, variations and warrant suspensions. You don't need to spend another £50 on an N245.

 

But if you wish to use it instead of the official N245...its will cost you £100 without hearing....better use the proper form...its cheaper.

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