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Hi Guys.

 

My Girlfriend received a Parking Eye Ticket today (07/10/2017).

The details of the ticket are as follows:

 

Ref #: ######/######

Vehicle Reg: LN## ###

Vehicle Make: Ford

Vehile Model: C-MAX TITANIUM

Date of event: 22/07/2017

Date Issued: 05/10/2017

Payment Tel: 0330 555 4444

Date: 05/10/2017

 

HAMPTON BY HILTON LONDON DOCKSIDE

Time in car park: 8 Hours 10 Min

Arrival Time: 22/07/2017 13:59:11

Depoarture time: 22/07/2017 22:09:50

 

Parking charge amount £100

Paid before cost: £60

Paid before: 19/10/2017

 

At the time my partner was visiting me in up north so this cannot have been her.

 

I did notice it has taken them 75 days to send her the notice.

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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For PNC's received through the post [ANPR camera capture]

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement 22/07/2017

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 05/10/2017

 

3 Date received 07/10/2017

 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] No

 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

 

6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] Not yet

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A

 

7 Who is the parking company? Parking Eye

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] HAMPTON BY HILTON LONDON DOCKSIDE - London

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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what she shouldnt be doing is appealing to PE over this.

They are time out under the POFA to create a keeper liability but that doesn't mean that this will stop them pursuing the driver so it is imperative that the driver is not identified.

 

To this end an appeal even to the owners of the land,

namely the hotel chain will identify who was there at the time and that by the balance of probabilities is the same as the driver

 

best course of action is to see what PE do next and if it looks like they intend to take legal action she cuts them off at the ankles at the last moment.

 

Any correspondence now just makes it look like she is likely to pay up if enough pressure is applied.

 

Also the twonks who generate this computer written guff dont read it so their 32 stages of quality control are laughable.

 

At the very last knockings someone has to actually read what is written so cut out the middle silicon man and wait for that stage.

 

She may get letters from a dca demanding £160 ( why that amount? they like the number). Ignore these as well

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Thanks guys for the ideas.

 

Apparently, my partner called Hilton, we had stayed there a month before. They said to just ignore the letter and they will deal with it.

 

We shall have to wait and see.

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if you get more mail form PE or thier pet dca's then get on to the Hilton but in writing and remind them about their verbal agreement to get this claim cancelled. If thye obfiscate you should let them know that a verbal contract is as valid as a unilateral contract via a piddly badly placed signa nd you may b minded to pursue them for breach of contract as they have agreed to underwite this for you.

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