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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Okay check your defence above now.....I have edited slightly.

 

You can email the defence .

 

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wait to see if they progress the case

they have 28 days from the service of your defence on them

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well, my defence was sent on 13th March 2017,

HPH2 came back with the Notice of Assignment around 4th April,

it is now 13th June, more than 28 days, and I have heard nothing further.

 

Might I presume that no further action is likely, or needed; and consequently where they "trying it on"?

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Well the claim will be stayed.....whether the claimant wishes to proceed in future is unknown subject to whether they have the documents or whether its financially viable ....time will tell.

 

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wait to see if they progress the case

they have 28 days from the service of your defence on them

 

Well the claim will be stayed.....whether the claimant wishes to proceed in future is unknown subject to whether they have the documents or whether its financially viable ....time will tell.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 

 

So, really, that 28 days means nothing as they can still proceed if they want?

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So, really, that 28 days means nothing as they can still proceed if they want?

 

Within a given acceptable time...we have known 2/3/years..but the longer they leave it the harder to convince a court....and dont forget it costs £255 to proceed after 28 days....always off putting for the DCA when they have to lose profit in their investment.

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if they had any reasonable chance then they would most likely to have acted already.

They would then have to have a good reason for not notifying the court on time, and I have not had any indication of any.

 

They took it almost to the line before the debt became statue barred anyway (8% apr statutary interest)

 

My thoughts then are:

realistically,

then the probability of a DCA persuing at this stage is quite low,

but I should just be aware that sometimes they might.

 

I'll give it a few more months before reporting again (maybe then "close" this thread)

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Any other DCA pursuing is unlikely as the debt is subject to litigation even though stayed..and we dont close threads :wink:

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std course of action for a speculative claim outcome really.

 

 

they hoped for a non contested default rubberstamped judgement

whereby no human looks at anything

you found cag....

 

 

now go enjoy your life

 

 

dx

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in restaurants people tip the waiter.....

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Its a good idea not to close threads. OK, the saga goes on as per post #23 nearly a year on as my defence was submitted about 13th March 2017 (post #30)

I've managed to recover a frame of mind to deal with it (having just delt with a unrelated legal matter).

They have reopened the claim and there is a court date on 23rd March (Friday)

I'm not panicking, just looking for an angle to present at court.,tw

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If you know the date " court date on 23rd March " ...then you must have submitted a DQ and received a Notice of Allocation (N157)...which contains the directions for both parties to prepare for the hearing.....which involves submitting your standard disclosure and witness statements by the dates stated......have you read your Notice of Allocation......properly ?

 

This is what happens when you dont regularly update your thread.

 

Failure to comply with directions could lead to your defence being struck out.

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err... no, I thought that was for criminal proceedings. No one has told me to write one.

What might that ential in this case? ,tw

 

In your case, as defendant, it will outline any matters you wish to use in defence of the claim. i.e. why the claimant should not succeed with their claim.

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Righto, I'm just getting flummoxed by procedural terminology - that was done as per post #23; I gather that equates to my written defence (N149?)

 

I do not believe I have had a notice of allocation, but have had a notice of hearing (N24).

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Scan and redact and upload everything you have received from the court since submitting the defence.

 

N149 /N150 is the Directions Questionnaire which allocates the claim to track and transfers the claim to your Local County Court.Then you receive the N157 Notice of Allocation.

 

N24 is to inform you of Judgment or Court Order.

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could this not now be argued this is statute barred?

and the claimant solely issued the claim to stall the clock when they had no paperwork nor ever intended too hoping for a default non contested judgement?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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These are the latest two documents received from the court.

NB. My defence was submitted 13th March 2017.

 

dx: good call, how might I present that in court?

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Ring the court and ask what the hearing is for.

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No...this is separate to the normal process...it could be a case management conference to decide how the claim will be allocated...or it may be a hearing on application of the claimant to lift the stay and strike out/request summary judgment.

 

By repeat documents I hope there wasn't an application notice N244 ?

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I've just called the court who read the memo: "given the defendant's need of reasonable adjustment to participate, please list for allocation/directions"

So, I take it that this is an Allocation Hearing rather than a final hearing?

No, there was not an N244 included.

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Case Management conference then...not the trial hearing.

 

" given the defendant's need of reasonable adjustment to participate "

 

Did you put something in the DQ to prompt this ?

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