Article 50 Discussion

[Maharg1]

7 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

 

…. get ALL the liars out of parliament ...

 

You can't chuck all the Labour Party out of the Commons.

 

 

 

 

 

[Maharg1]

tobyjugg2

Leave Lies said 5 million Turks would be coming to Brotain and we can't do anything about it

No they didn't, typical left wing lies, they said 'COULD' which is very different.

 

Edited September 23, 2019 by Maharg1

[Maharg1]

I'm just following the lead so what's good for the goose etc.

[Maharg1]

Your timing is wrong, Turkey was joining up until March this year when the European Parliament voted in favour of suspending the negotiation and Turkeys bid to join the EU.

 

So at the time those things were said, Turkey was still joining the EU.  Negotiations haven't been permanently ended so Turkey could still join at some later time if it meets the EU guidelines.

[Maharg1]

 Turkey applied to join the EU in 1987 and those points were made after they applied and before the application was denied. So they are not lies.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Maharg1

[Maharg1]

Because someone brought it up wanting to score points and be able to use the 'not true' word.  That attempt has now been show to be thwarted.

[Maharg1]

What! join a party where the leader refuses to condemn the IRA and actually invited a couple of them to parliament after the Brighton bombing.

A leader that has had meetings with so many terrorist groups and accepted money from Iran for appearing on Iranian state television more than once.

A leader that has attended a wreath laying service to leaders of the Black September terror group.

A leader that calls the terrorist groups of Hamas and Hezbollah his friends

A leader that is head of an anti-Semitic party and has signed his name to the Cairo Declaration along with Communist Party members accusing Israel of genocide and calling for a boycott of Israel and backing armed resistance to the Jewish state.

 

You can have a go at islamophobia now if you want but at least the MP that posted and the few that seemed to support or joke on his comments were suspended.  How many of the antisimitic Labour members have been suspended.

 

[Maharg1]

16 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Cameron: Turkey on course to join EU ‘in year 3000’

 

https://www.business-reporter.co.uk/2016/05/23/cameron-turkey-course-join-eu-year-3000/

 

 

" The Prime Minister attacked Penny Mordaunt's claims that Britain had no veto over Turkish accession to the 28-member bloc as "misleading" and "absolutely wrong". "

 

" Mr Cameron added: “It is not remotely on the cards that Turkey is going to join the EU any time soon. They applied in 1987. At the current rate of progress they will probably get round to joining in about the year 3000 according to the latest forecasts.” "

None of that makes any difference to the fact that the application was still alive when those claims were made.

[Maharg1]

It's not fake news, he has admitted it and even tried to apologise, too late for that now.

You can check back on the Guardian as well as the Mirror who all report it or are you saying the Labour supporting media print fake news.

[Maharg1]

I think exactly the same as you do and what makes you assume I am a Brexiteer.

[Maharg1]

You're not getting it are you, watch my lips

At the time that was said, Turkey was still in the process of application, it was after they applied and before they were denied.  It matters not if they were going to join in million years, the application was live.

[Maharg1]

You're obviously one of those that repeats the nonsense about spending £350 million on the NHS as said on the bus which it never did.  

[Maharg1]

All print media we consume is regurgitated in one form or another.  Its the easiest way of getting a lie out there because you can say anything, and what you say is usually copied to another firm of media or newspaper until it sets the narrative.  That's why I dont read newspapers.

 

It's also a fact that news outlets choose to display images in a certain way to set the narrative.  Take that wreath laying situation as an example... they took a photo of where the bombers were buried, another photo of jeremy corbyn attending a commemoration, placed them together and displayed it as though he was supporting terrorist bombers.

 

 

So why hasn't he taken any to court for defamation if it's all fake ?????

Edited September 23, 2019 by Maharg1

[Maharg1]

 

3 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

and i've applied once to win the lottery

.. doesn't mean they are going to give me anything.

 

Come back when you've at least read the wikipedia page.

If you read it properly, and give it some real thought, you perhaps won't look such a fake news pedaller.

 

 

https://metro.co.uk/2017/04/27/boris-johnson-stands-by-350million-vote-leave-bus-message-6600240/

 

 

 

Why would I want to read Wiki, I can read the Guardian, they covered it all very well.

1 minute ago, tobyjugg2 said:

He's in court at the moment 'Father of Lies'.

Didn't you know

 

One step at a time.?

 

And the claim is against who ??

[Maharg1]

36 minutes ago, Jase1982 said:

If people took action every time something not quite true was printed they'd never be out of court.  I think its naive to believe everything printed is true.

 

This isn't 'something not quite true', it is captured on film and tape and the proof is there for all to see which is why he can't claim defamation.

If any of this was untrue he would be up there in court grabbing the pennies for libel and slander.

 

There is an awful lot of garbage on this very Left Wing thread and typically you are not willing to even listen to any other points of view.

You're continually saying 'sod you' to all the majority who voted to leave, I take it after the next general election, whoever wins there will be a movement to have another election.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Maharg1

[Maharg1]

1 hour ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Want another example of that cornerstone Leave Lie?

.. and it is a lie as we never did send £350m a week to the EU, let alone them take it.

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

 

 

 

The amount matters not, the lie is where the remoaners have claimed they said they would spend £350m on the NHS when they did not, they said 'lets fund out NHS instead, it's there in front of you to read.'

[Maharg1]

Dream on Lefty - dream on

[Maharg1]

What's with all this 'Benn bill' rubbish, you mean the 'Surrender bill'. :)

[Maharg1]

10 minutes ago, Jase1982 said:

I'm more interested in why anyone is fearful of an EU army?  Surely European countries already contribute as part of NATO.  What's wrong with being involved militaristically with other nations, rather than outside.

 

There is nothing wrong with collaboration between nations, but that's not good enough for the EU, they want full control and the HQ to be in Brussels.

We will have to pay them £millions each year and have no say in what our armed forces can and can't do.

Germany refuses to help in the Gulf, so they would without doubt not let our Navy help in safety patrols there either, they will be in charge.

 

[Maharg1]

"Government have entered into private agreements with the European Community that they will, on completion of remain or whatever it is to be, transfer to the European Union in Brussels the entire control of our entire fighting forces, including all their equipment"

 

[Maharg1]

8 minutes ago, Jase1982 said:

 

Also, if Germany can apparently refuse to do something, why do you believe we are unable to do the same?

 

You haven't learnt anything have you.  Germany runs the EU, Germany IS the EU, what Germany says goes

[Maharg1]

I don't see a post #2785

Edited October 1, 2019 by Maharg1

[Maharg1]

Just now, tobyjugg2 said:

 

Absolute garbage

 

 

 

Prove it ???

[Maharg1]

You're the one making the claim that it is garbage, I quoted what was said in the House of Lords.

 

[Maharg1]

Stop trying to change the subject, you have been caught out and don't like it