sanctions

[gunner-highway]

Absolutely disgusting

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/stitching-up-claimants-part-job-says-3537051

Edited May 14, 2014 by antone
Making link clickable

[boomboomboom]

its disgusting ye but am i surprised? nope! as the Tory government only care about themselves and if your on benefits then its your fault and basically u should not be on them .

but if there is no work u have to get money from somewhere and reading that article^ just wants me even more to get them out of government and get labour or something in as i have never liked Tory and never will they are the worst people to ever step foot in to politics !

 

anymore article like this should be uploaded for everyone to see!

[Belfaster]

The article states there are 600,000 vacancies. How many of those vacancies are full time jobs, that will last more than 12 months?

[SabreSheep]

How many are real jobs

How many are self employed

How many are part time

How many are scams

How many are zero hours

[Mr.P]

Someone has kindly been data scraping on your behalf - Download the file and produce your own statistics from http://universalautomation.tumblr.com/post/81483423029/collect-and-analyse-large-numbers-of-jobs-from.

 

In all probability, the number of genuine jobs are a lot less than the touted 600,000.

[boomboomboom]

The article states there are 600,000 vacancies. How many of those vacancies are full time jobs, that will last more than 12 months?

 

when i heard this from dwp 600,000 vacancies that is the most crap i have ever heard and who ever they have in charge of these crap stats are seriously drunk as am sure most are fakes most are the same jobs on the same websites and others are just not really at all.

 

if there was "600,000" jobs then i think the total of the unemployed would be far lower than it is! so they can stop giving us lies after lies.

[boomboomboom]

The number of sanctions imposed on jobseeker's allowance (JSA) claimants rose to 227,629 in the last three months of 2013, an increase of 69,600 on the equivalent quarter in 2012.

In total, 870,793 claimants were subject to an adverse decision to lose their benefit in 2013 because of a failure to meet Jobcentre Plus requirements to make themselves available for work.

In October alone, there were 88,489 adverse decisions, a record number of sanctions for a single month since the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) started compiling the figures.

 

 

The figures released on Wednesday alongside the labour market statistics also show that an additional 530,957 JSA claimants were referred for a sanction in 2013,

 

 

this is shocking! the dwp etc have a cheek to say sanctions are "LAST RESORT" but yet u look at them figures and u think really?

 

 

 

People who are in a job know that if they don't play by the rules or fail to turn up in the morning, there might be consequences, so it's only right that people on benefits should have similar responsibilities.

 

 

people in work get warnings so how come when you sign on u never get a warning u get sanctioned straight away?

 

 

and i know u get warnings in work as the job i did have 2-3 them done something and got warnings but yet if u do one mistakes u lose your benefit for 4-13 weeks and so on its a joke!

[essexmat]

The whole system is a farce and is set up to fail the vulnerable and weak which is why you need to be on your toes at all times - do not give them ANY excuse to raise a sanction against you. If you know you have done nothing wrong then you cannot be sanctioned.

 

When I saw my signing on adviser today before my INGECRAP appointment I asked him about sanction targets - he said they do not exist but with a wry smile on his face - obviously he wasn't going to fully admit there were targets to a claimant but he knew I knew they were in place. He did say something I agreed with though and that was that some people do not help themselves and gave me an example. He simply said someone needs to see him once a fortnight for 5 minutes and if they cannot manage that and miss appointments then there is nothing he can do. He also said he obviously knew people don't actively look for work but also said if you are going to not bother at least turn up with something on a sheet of paper - he said people miss appointments or turn up with nothing and wonder why they have a sanction placed against them.

 

It was mentioned above and I agree, in work unless it is gross misconduct you are likely to get a warning before disciplinary action so why are sanctions raised immediately if there may be a genuine reason for missing an appointment and unable to call immediately? Say you are en route to the JCP to sign on and get hit by a car and an ambulance takes you tohospital - sanction? You cannot call straight away can you and it is not your fault. I could go on but we all know the system is flawed and unfair and the reason the genuine JSA claimants are penalised is because of the small % of unemployable, unwilling, lazy claimants that make workers tar us all with the same brush

[SabreSheep]

Thankfully I am close to departing the system after a short stay on it and I have to say

Thank god

 

When I started using the JC after voluntarily coming of ESA I *asked* for help updating my CV,

Ive been lucky in that for 11 years with the same employer, bar the promotion inter view process that I never had to job hunt. I had always been employed form the age of 14 as a paperboy and changed jobs seamlessly until I took ill and had to leave my long term job after winning a tribunal process.

 

Other than the help updating my cv, they have not helped. I have asked for help doing various things but thankfully my advisor seems to be one of the reasonable ones. I have till recently been allowed to just get on with it. I think it helps that I have several jobs applied for and the full paper and email trails for each job printed out and with me when I go to sign on so I try to make myself a non target.

 

Thankfully Ive now passed all the formal processes for a job, passed the medical and just waiting on my Driving license to be updated from DLA and then I get my start date. Until then though for the next 3-4 weeks at least I still have to waste employers time applying for jobs that I will not be interested on once I get my start date. I think in cases such as this it undermines the system.

 

Employers don't trust the system as it encourages applications from the wrong people who have no intention of taking the job

Employees of companies are afraid of the welfare system and put up with unacceptable behavior at work afraid they might get fed to the DWP grinder if they raise a complaint and lose their job,

Unemployed people who generally want to work despise the system as it does not help them and also they get picked on for stupid things and sometimes its even the system thats made the fault.

 

UJM is discredited

The Sanctions process misses those who genuinely need to be sanctioned and hits the "weaker mnore vulnerable claimants"

The work programs are just a group of fat cats lining their pockets.

 

Whole system needs burning and starting again. I for one could design a more comprehensive system and get better outcomes. First of all change the sanction regime. EG If you get a sanction then it gets *stayed* until the claimant exhausts the appeals process or accepts the sanction.

[jasta11]

Whole system needs burning and starting again. I for one could design a more comprehensive system and get better outcomes. First of all change the sanction regime. EG If you get a sanction then it gets *stayed* until the claimant exhausts the appeals process or accepts the sanction.

 

That's exactly how it used to work - you were told nothing by the JC, but received a letter saying 'A doubt has arisen, etc'. Your money was not stopped yet. There was a space on the back of the form for you to write your side of it and send it back. Your money was not stopped while you did this. After your side had been looked at (and they decided they were going to sanction you), you got a letter back telling you the doubt had been upheld and that you would lose money from x date to Y date. Your money was not instantly stopped though, the dates were at least a couple of weeks in the future, to give you time to save a little and start a claim for hardship. After these couple of weeks, THEN your money was stopped. At least you were given formal notification and a little time to prepare.

 

Now, the first thing you know you've been sanctioned is when you check your account and find money missing. You're not even informed you have been sanctioned. It's disgraceful.

[boomboomboom]

The whole system is a farce and is set up to fail the vulnerable and weak which is why you need to be on your toes at all times - do not give them ANY excuse to raise a sanction against you. If you know you have done nothing wrong then you cannot be sanctioned.

 

When I saw my signing on adviser today before my INGECRAP appointment I asked him about sanction targets - he said they do not exist but with a wry smile on his face - obviously he wasn't going to fully admit there were targets to a claimant but he knew I knew they were in place. He did say something I agreed with though and that was that some people do not help themselves and gave me an example. He simply said someone needs to see him once a fortnight for 5 minutes and if they cannot manage that and miss appointments then there is nothing he can do. He also said he obviously knew people don't actively look for work but also said if you are going to not bother at least turn up with something on a sheet of paper - he said people miss appointments or turn up with nothing and wonder why they have a sanction placed against them.

 

It was mentioned above and I agree, in work unless it is gross misconduct you are likely to get a warning before disciplinary action so why are sanctions raised immediately if there may be a genuine reason for missing an appointment and unable to call immediately? Say you are en route to the JCP to sign on and get hit by a car and an ambulance takes you tohospital - sanction? You cannot call straight away can you and it is not your fault. I could go on but we all know the system is flawed and unfair and the reason the genuine JSA claimants are penalised is because of the small % of unemployable, unwilling, lazy claimants that make workers tar us all with the same brush

 

ye did not think they admit they do it!

 

at least someone agrees in work u get WARNINGS so if your late 2 seconds its a 4 week sanction a would like them to tell me how that works because signing on is not the same as work if u get sanctions and dont get a warning for your first time and yet in work u get warnings and then u will be dealt with if u do something again.

[Belfaster]

On the subject of sanctions, it is interesting to note how the system here in N Ireland differs from the one in Great Britain. If you are issued with a sanction over here and you then carry out the directive, the sanction ends immediately. None of this bollocks of 2/4 weeks being left without money. Admittedly, we have not had the welfare reforms implemented over here yet, due to opposition from the Stormont government. Will be keeping note to see if we end up with the same sanctions regime as GB, when the reforms are finally introduced over here.

[worried33]

To me its became quite clear this current government are intent on getting the results they want (which is less on benefits) by any means necessary. They have probably worked out as long as it cannot be proven and challenged legally they will be fine, and even then it would take someone else to make new legislation to reverse the policies. Far too many whstleblower/leaks going on as well as claimant reports to suggest otherwise.

 

All they have done since getting power is basically aggressively hit benefit claimants to cause hardship, cut taxes for the rich and large corporations and found a way for companies to bypass the min wage laws. With exception to that the only good policy I see is the tax threshold increase for low earners (which came from the lib dems). It's clear who they work for yet the mainstream press and public are blind to it, they been brainwashed to think an entire worldwide recession and taxes are all down to the unemployed.