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    • Hi Tawnyowl here,i have been watching events over the last week or so as things develop. Labrat,such a sense of humour.😀 Hi honeybee13 . Sure does     Anti-fracking campaigners have reacted with concern to news that the British Geological Survey (BGS) signed a non-disclosure agreement with Cuadrilla over access to operational data. https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/24/suspicion-over-fracking-firms-secret-deal-with-geological-agency/   Cuadrilla has been accused of trying to downplay last night’s 1.6ML earth tremor caused by its fracking operation near Blackpool. The tremor, at 8.46pm, was the largest so far recorded at the Preston New Road site since fracking began there in October 2018. https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/22/living-in-fear-residents-respond-to-1-6ml-fracking-tremor/ Energy firm Cuadrilla said a 2.23-magnitude tremor was recorded at its facility near Blackpool at 11.01pm on Saturday – the third “micro seismic event” this week. While some local residents may have felt the movement, it was not strong enough to have caused any damage to property, the firm added.  Do you believe anything this company says. Like their so called micro seismic events you would think damage could have been caused to properties. Once buildings start shaking this must happen surely. I was approached this afternoon while at a cricket match. Just chatting way about this and that when the person said Did you feel the Earthquake last night. I had not even heard about it,tell me more i said. Lights and windows shaking moving around about a mile away on one of the North of Englands largest housing estates. And there are reports of many more people feeling this event covered on this link. Why should a community be put through this,waiting for the next one. People living around Cuadrilla’s shale gas site reported shaking buildings and windows last night from a 2.1ML tremor. This is the strongest seismic event so far induced by fracking at the Preston New Road site near Blackpool. It brings to more than 90 the number of tremors since fracking resumed at the site less than a fortnight ago. Within minutes of the tremor, there were reports that people had felt it from surroundings towns and villages including Blackpool, Weeton, Westby, Peel, Kirkham, Wrea Green, Great Plumpton and Lytham St Annes. Much more on the link. https://drillordrop.com/2019/08/25/call-for-fracking-ban-after-2-1ml-tremor-shakes-buildings-around-cuadrilla-shale-gas-site/   You might notice that the BGS has a page now for human activity causing Eartquakes-link Last updated: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 18:10:00 (UTC) This list contains seismic events for which there is strong evidence that they have been induced by human activities. It is linked to a database of seismic events and locations and magnitudes may change as events are re-analysed and revised. Background, tectonic seismic activity is reported on our recent earthquakes list. http://earthquakes.bgs.ac.uk/induced/recent_uk_events.html   I had better leave it there for now, more soon.,how will it all end because surely it will. Things cannot carry on much longer like this,can they? Bye for now. Tawnyowl writing from the Earthquake centre of Great Britain courtesy of Cuadrilla Fracking.
    • happy for mod to move it to suitable location under thread title Background: Thanks in advance for any thoughts you can share. This is a very long history, I appreciate your time. In 2011 I took out a £8500. loan from Borro private finance against art and jewellery to make ends meet. The agreements are attached below. This is a CCA. Borro regulated by the FCA. The interest rate is APR 68.8  % for 6 months.  I paid the interest and capital during the period term. On 3 May 2012  I renewed this loan at 79.4% interest for another 6 months.  Last week I requested all evidence the lender holds concerning the agreements. Missing are 03/05/2012 through 14/06 2013.( not under a SAR).  I fell into arrears on the loan and one piece of jewellery was sold, reducing the balance to £6400. Dec 2014.   The lender took a payment of interest £2044.16.  Renewed against the other items ( art etc) on this loan.  The new interest rate increased to 88.8%  . At the time the ring was sold, I requested all documents concerning the sale. Borro produced none. The ring is appraised at $17,5000.  £14,000.  The ring was sold for £3500.  I have an appraisal. I was notified prior to the sale. The ring was sold by "private treaty". I continued to ask for information about this sale until todays date. No information has been provided.  I took a huge loss . The ring is not clearly described on the inventory compared to the appraisal. Documents missing from Borro response to my request include 25/10/2014 to 10/04/2015. I was in arrears on this loan and a new agreement was made. The loan amount was increased to £10,810.00 and the interest rate decreased to  80%.  what is interesting is that the lender should have sold this ring, the value was sufficient to pay off my debts. But that is not what happened. someone got a deal on a nice ring.  II. ON 1, Jan 2012, I took out a second loan in the amount of £3000 against another piece of Jewellery. The interest was 68.8%. I paid the P&I on this loan.    Missing from the requested information is agreement from July 10/2012 until 12/12/2012.  I did pay interest during that period and on 12/12/2012 through 11/06/2013 I renewed  with an interest rate for 79.4 %.  I renewed on 04/07/2013 through 03/06/2014 interest rate 97.8%.  I renewed this loan on 03/01/2014 interest rate was 88.8. Take note there is very little description about this item. I redeemed the loan but ended up back in the pawn. 19/06/2014 to 18/12/2014 interest eat 94.5%. I renewed this loan again 19/03/2015 . Interest rate was 93.2%. Now there is a clearer description of the ring. Documents missing from Borro response to my request include 012/06/2013 to /10/2014 to 10/04/2015. Information on the  description is also scant until I took the loan out again in 2014. The last payment on either loan was March 2015. Default date was September 2015. The lender still has my property.   PROBLEM: In 2013, Borro became aware that the reason I had pawned these items was that I was a plaintiff in a substantial lawsuit in the US. I borrowed because I had lost my job. I was not able to work( I had been FCA regulated). I was facing eviction, had serious financial stability  and some mental health problems. I gave them a copy of the pleadings. They are aware that I had claimed these loans as part of my damages.  In 2015, Periodically I requested the accounting. Some was provided some was not. As a result, in  2016, the head of credit wrote to me " "Thank you for coming in to see me today. As discussed, we will freeze your accounts with us from today the 14th October 2016 until the 31st of December 2016. This will mean that no further interest will accrue until the 31st December 2016 and we will not consign to sale until on or after the 31st December 2016."  I did not hear from them again until  08 February 2017. On 30/03/2017 I responded to Borro request that I give them an update on the accounts. I wrote that I needed a settlement figure.  No response the following week I personally met with the manager I had been dealing with. She told me that " we are not going to sell your property". We understand that you have fallen on hard times, we are human. How long will it take you to sort this out. I responded about 2 months."   I did not hear from Borro again until I wrote to them on 18/03/2019 where I stated, " the last time we met you were going to give me a settlement figure". There was no response. As a result, on  18 March 2019 I sent  an email to - Subject: RE: Borro Accounts. Dear Lender. Hello. The last time we met, you were going to give me a settlement figure. Litigation is still ongoing. We have a potential investor that has asked me to get a figure from you. Depending on that number, I can let you know if I can pay the bill and collect my things in the next few weeks. Please get in touch as soon as possible". no response.   In early July 2019 I received a call from someone at Borro. It was not a good time. I asked him to call me back the following week. I did not hear from him again either. On  6 august 2019 I received an email from Borro that I should log into my account. I was unable to. The following week I wrote to them and in summary: On 13/08/2019 I wrote and included a summary of the events: I am writing to advise you that I am obtaining advice concerning the  account. You are aware that you have not pursued any further action on this account since approximately 2014(or earlier) . This is because I had an agreement with Name Deleted that Borro was not “going to sell my property,  I recited the above summary of events.   Certainly, I had no intention to give up valuable property for almost 8 years and pay interest and principal for this long. I want to develop a resolution to the matter between us. In order to achieve this, Please can you provide me with the following information which is attached in a spreadsheet: I need a very simple accounting and please answer the below: Any renewed loans where additional credit was extended through the re-appraisal of the assets ( ie using the asset as leverage) to extend further credit where the loan proceeds were applied to the loan for reinstatement purposes. What were the source of funds for the last payment made? Because I am seeking advice with a view towards finding a resolution, I would appreciate it if you could hold action on the above account for a period of at least 30 days to give me the time  I need to obtain advice. If you are adding interest or other charges to the account, I would be grateful if you would freeze these during this period so that my debt does not continue to increase. Please can you send me the enclosed spreadsheet and the documents you loaded into my account as soon as possible. This will enable me to obtain accurate advice. I will contact you again as soon as possible with further details of a  proposal to resolve the account. ( so far this lender has not complied with my request)   SETTLEMENT OFFER From: Borro Customer Service <Contact@borro.com> Sent: 14 August 2019 13:22 To: Subject: RE: Your Loan Account   Dear borrower. Thank you for your email and for getting in touch with Borro. As you would be aware there have been many loans with Borro, with two loans that remain outstanding which we are seeking to resolve with you. Given the significant period these have been overdue, the current balance on these two loans is almost £52,000 of which the majority is interest. In order for you to move on from this debt it is proposed to sell the collateral associated with Loan DIAMOND RING 175643 in full and final settlement and return all the items under Loan 198678 to you. This would generate a loss for Borro of approximately £49,000, however given your circumstance this is something we are prepared to offer. While I would love to pay Borro £3000. I do not currently have the funds. Borro is aware because I wrote to them on august 13 advising them i am not working. I do not want to lose my property. I need to find a way for them to walk away, give me my property back. WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? Below are the questions I have or could raise in order to "negotiate with them". Is this a high interest short term loan? What are the effects of an CCA that has an interest rate of 93.6% and is renewed every six months? It appears that one loan was "Refinanced".  What FCA terms did they violate which might apply to this situation ? After the agreement expired and terms were changed, what rights does the PB have to collect further payments or sell the ring? Did they waive their rights to further payments? How can I use refusal to produce sale information concerning the first ring, to negotiate my way out of this? What is interesting is, they sold a £14,000 ring privately, concealed the buyer and other information, then turned around and INCREASED THE INDEBTEDNESS substantially. In fact they want to do this again, but this time are offering to  write off £49,000  in other interest. What am I missing? What effect does violations of FCA 6 and 7. help me to negotiate a settlement. Is the FOS effective threat to the firm to pressure a settlement? Does a cost cap apply to these loans and if yes what is the amount of the cap? How can I use the current appraisal and FCA or any other rules to stop them from selling the ring for less than market value? I have someone looking at the accounting to see if there are errors. found several when query. anything you can find that voids the agreements? Anything else you can think of THANK YOU!!!   RING.pdf art.pdf
    • I am so sorry I see the confusion now, I was meant to say CAB not CAG. They are just sending him letters to copy and send which doesn't seem helpful at all.    I also apologise for the vague details right now. I actually thought he had got rid of the car already until he mentioned it as he dropped me off home, so I've only got a vague idea myself, i just wanted to see if there was anything he could do other than send letters. I will get more details from him and update this thread, or get him to join as you have advised.  sorry 
    • It was a late payment, no default 
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Can someone help with this

 

Today cash genie took out £170 from my partners bank account for an unpaid loan last year.

 

 

The money was actually mine and was two weeks benefit money that I had asked the dwp put into her account as I do not have one

and they will no longer pay by Giro Cheque.

 

Natwest bank won't act and the loan company will not reply to my E-mails.

 

Where legally do I stand ?.

 

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They actually took over two hundred pounds without warning in 3 blocks.

 

 

and got her card details as she applied for a loan with another company last week.

 

 

can I see a solicitor and charge them for said solicitor plus apr etc?.

 

 

They used her Visa Debit card the loan was in her name.

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I sent C G this E-Mail today they will not answer nor will they answer the Complaints line

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Today 21/11/13 you took £170.00 of my cash from my partners bank account

This money is benefit money I had paid in as I do not have my own account.

I can and will prove this fact.

That is by law the minimum the government allows for me to live off

I Insist you return said monies today.Take Notice legally as I can prove the money was taken unlawfully I will be charging you £100 Per hour for my time and an APR yet to be determined.

Plus any legal costs incurred to retrieve this sum.If I have to seek a solicitor tomorrow.

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Tell your bank to do an immediate chargback for an unauthorised transaction. Ignore the front line phone reps. Speak to a senior manager.


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It was not my Bank and even the fraud Department at NatWest were unwilling to help sort it out.

 

 

I am not up to speed on these matters but I deem this transaction as unlawful

 

I did send CG this E-mail but never received a reply.

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Today 21/11/13 you took £170.00 of my cash from my partners bank account

This money is benefit money I had paid in as I do not have my own account.

I can and will prove this fact.

That is by law the minimum the government allows for me to live off

I Insist you return said monies today.Take Notice legally as I can prove the money was taken unlawfully I will be charging you £100 Per hour for my time and an APR yet to be determined.

Plus any legal costs incurred to retrieve this sum.If I have to seek a solicitor tomorrow.

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The transaction was unlawful and unauthorised. Thats why CG took the amount in multiple amounts.

 

You wont get a reply from CG as they took it unlawfully. As i said, your bank is wrong and you need to be firm with them. You wont get £100 per hour either from them as costs/compensation. The most you will get is the current LiP rate, and maybe a few admin costs.

 

Also, how did they get your partners account details for YOUR loan?


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Hi

It was not my loan it was not in my name .

 

 

It was a loan my partner took out in 2012.

 

 

I was Unaware of Said loan...

 

 

. It also transpires they (C.G) have been trying to do just this for some time and prompted temporary freezes on my Partners account.

 

Nat West failed to contact my partner to let her know that this was going on ..

... Naughty or Complacent I don't care

 

 

I personally have called NatWest half an hour ago to get the transaction frozen until the morning but Khofi In India is unable to do that.

 

So how much can I charge them bearing in mind I am suffering sever Depression and under the GP for this...:sad:

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You can only charge them any loss you have incurred as a result of their actions.

 

 

You cannot make up any figure and then add interest to it.

 

I suspect that they took the money in 3 tranches because they wanted to make sure that the amount they claimed would be paid.

 

 

I note that GM have tried to take money before so I daresay that GM would have asked for a fourth time for their money

 

 

.If they didn't it would leave one to suspect that GM knew how much money was in the account................................

 

In addition, it might be difficult to arrange a cancellation of those transactions because the money was owed by your GF and it was in her account.

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I am phoning the DWP tomorrow UK Law states that's the minimum I can be paid to live off also I believe money within a Bank legally belongs to the Bank its in until withdrawn Is this correct?. C.G Have apparently been trying for many months to take money but my partner had stopped the card, She applied for another loan with her new details , Hence CG obtaining them leading to the events that I have outlined

I will update further after I make a few telephone calls tomorrow I am lets say a wee bit naffed off ATM....:-x

 

Thanks for all the advice given thus far I appreciate the help.

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sorry that all wrong

 

 

you MUST phone the bank and get a chargeback done on the first transaction

 

 

then ask for the CPA to be cancelle on the others.

 

 

this is the LAW NatWest CANNOT refuse it.

 

 

it was NOT your loan matters not where the money went

they have NO RIGHT TO THIS + 12mts later.

 

 

get action fraud involved too.

 

 

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Who was the company your partner applied to for a loan last week - I am interested to know how Cash Genie got the bank details from a different company??


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The other company are Bonga Loans.... but on investigation Cash Genie have 9 other companies . I may be able to get the monies back according to the FSA it will take 8 weeks or more. NatWest will not discuss it with me I told them I am logging complaints against both them and CG.

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Natwest are wrong. Time for a full complaint. Perhaps use bcobs


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If Bonga Loans don't mention on their website that they are part of Cash Genie - report them to the OFT. You should easily be able to see that they are affiliated. These sub companies are usually set up by the main lender in order to trap people who owe them money into applying for a loan with the smaller company so they can then get new bank or card details to recoup the old loan. It's despicable, but then that's the filthy industry of payday loans :(


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you really need to nail NatWest on this issue.

 

 

ask them the direct question..

 

 

were these payments taken under a cpa?

 

 

if they were , THEY MUST refund you

 

 

http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/consumerinformation/product_news/banking/know_your_rights/solving/index.shtml

 

 

see the new june 2013 instructions to banks

 

 

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Thanks for all the information I will update on Monday with a progress report :|

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Thank You all for your advice

 

Today NatWest are refunding all monies to clear in the account by 18.00 and issuing a chargeback to recover the sums from Cash Genie.:whoo:

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That is good news. It is about time that the banks are at long last getting the message. Well done for your perseverance-I'm sure it wasn't easy to get them to change.

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Actually it was fairly easy apart from having to study their own T&C's and threaten to take it further. Once I found out the I had a case from you guys and elsewhere and what course of action to take. It took less than five minutes on the phone.Oh I got interest and expenses back too lol. :-D

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then it might be an idea to expand on how you did it for others?

 

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Ok

 

Firstly I researched NatWests T&C's that state A CPA can be stopped.

 

Which they failed to inform my partner.

 

I then told them to issue a chargeback as the transaction was unlawful for several reasons as outlined above.

 

I mentioned my displeasure that even though CG had attempted this many times activating Natwests own anti fraud software

nobody had the decency to inform my partner what was going on.

 

And I also let them know I would have gone to the ombudsman and beyond over the issue.

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good point, never used that , the anti fraud software

 

gonna include that in the advise.

 

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