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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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It is my understanding that even if mediation is ongoing, then the court will still continue to process their diary.. JIC mediation fails.

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It is my understanding that even if mediation is ongoing, then the court will still continue to process their diary.. JIC mediation fails.

 

Hi citizenB, yes that my understanding too. The case will still rumble on and we have plenty of time to negotiate a settlement whilst its in progress.

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They would have just reduced the balance from the claim outstanding! You still need to pay the rest?

 

So if you haven't made any offers they have taken it to court

 

The counterclaim has been agreed so there won't be any mention of it

 

Are you sure that you are getting letter from first credit for the same debt?

 

It may be another one? Check the numbers

 

If you want to go for mediation you need to let the court know otherwise start getting prepared for court in March

 

Hi Angel, it has now dawned on me exactly what they have done. Its quite disingenuous to tell me the counterclaim has been agreed, tell me they have refunded x amount of charges to bring the matter to a close then infact sell the account on. Thus leaving the matter very much open.

 

What i need to find out now is how to convey to the court that the counterclaim has not been settled.

 

They have untill 17th December to provide a breakdown of how they have arrived at the amount claimed for. Anyone know what happens if they fail to meet this deadline?

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They can't sell the account half way through court proceedings

 

I think you have mis understood, they have agreed the counterclaim but will still continue with the balance outstanding

 

If they miss the deadline the court will just send an unless order for a further 7 days

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And by the way they have proberly know who you are now!

 

I'm past caring about that now. They'll have known who i am from the first page. My DSAR which i recieved 2nd December never mentioned or showed any sale of account. Its strange , all of it i mean?

I think someone needs their head wiggling in their office, you agree Angel? :-)

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It is very strange!!

 

I just thought it may have been two different accounts

 

Do

You think they may have mad a boo boo then?

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It is very strange!!

 

I just thought it may have been two different accounts

 

Do

You think they may have mad a boo boo then?

 

I'm not sure whats happening to be honest, but my gut feeling is that something isn't right. I think my main concern is conveying to the court that the counterclaim although "agreed" by the claimant has not been settled and has infact been made worse for them. I just need to find out what i have to do next regards informing the court.

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Why is it worse for them?

 

My counterclaim was for breach of BCOBS 5.1.1

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1A firm must provide a service in relation to a retail banking service which is prompt, efficient and fair to a banking customer and which has regard to any communications or financial promotion made by the firm to the banking customer from time to time

in so far as it took them almost a year to look into and still not sort out my current account. During which time they whittled the balance down from over 1K to what it is now and passed me through allsorts of DCA 's whilst it was in query. The account balance had still not been resolved.

 

From where i'm sitting it looks like they're continuing this breach, because things are getting more confusing and more complicated instead of being sorted out.

 

I might try their tactic, i'll write to the court and tell them the claim is agreed and send them a cheque for £50 to settle it . :smile:

 

Is there anyone who could advise me what steps i need to take to make my counterclaim "live" in so far as i don't think its been settled?

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It doesn't seem to be that the site team are helping??

 

How do you call them?

 

Do we need a light in the sky like batman lol

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I've often thought emailing these questions to SCM direct might be more useful, but alas they don't communicate by email.

 

In fairness, i can understand a reluctance from the team to advise me given my past critique.

 

I think i can take a leaf out the creditors book and go for summary judgement, its been admitted and not satisfied/sorted out.

 

Lets put the pressure on !!

Looks like i'll have to trawl through all that CPR stuff on my own :-)

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So your gonna send an application for summary judgment then?

 

On your counterclaim?

 

Good morning Angel. No i said that toungue in cheek, hence the smiley !!

I'm going for the easy way, they're willing to mediate and the mediation service have contacted me.

If the mediation is succesfull then we'll be in the same position we'd of been in if they'd have contacted me in the first place and asked to review my payments schedule. Only we'll have gone all around the houses to do it.

 

If its unsuccesfull, then just like the clever way they shafted me with the counterclaim they'll probably send a barrister to smack my bum in court and wipe the floor with me.

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Have you sent them an offer?

 

Thats now going to take longer to assemble an offer, as they have not settled the counter claim in the way i would of wished they've settled it in the way they wished. So i'll have to re jig everything now to include this other account when taking stock of my finances.

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HI again :-o ,

Court directions for Small Claims Track ordered Claimant to file and serve a full breakdown of the amount alleged from the Defendant by 17th December 2013. This has not been done. What action can or do i need to take over this matter. Leave it until we get to Court? Any advice appreciated. Can i ring the Court and see if they have recieved one?

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I think you need to contact the court to see if they have received anything. If they havent, then I think you might also then need to write to the court to advise the claimant has ignored the order.

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Yes call the court and see if they have complied, you could always call the claimant and we why?

 

Have you sent an offer or agreed something that would say they didn't need to comply?

 

Did you find out?

 

???

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Hi , sorry for late reply. As well as asking the question here i done some research and i'd come to the conclusion that its not going to be a persuasive issue in the case, pre the trial. I'll seem to answer my own question here but as far as i can fathom i should of made a cry about it after the date for compliance had lapsed, i never. So i'll now wait and point out that the amount has not been clarified, although my guess is that the Solicitors will have a fully clarified amount of the amount claimed for come the trial so it will in effect be a non issue. I'm prepared for that. Obviously i'm prepared if they havn't too.

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