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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Thanks for the letter, its the usual misleading rubbish.

 

NOTHING is outstanding at all, it is only outstanding IF a court claim is bought and IF a judge decides in the stores favour.

 

Why would anyone care if the claim is passed to a debt collector, hey have no powers to do anything more than RLP and in fact I'd recommend it as they would no doubt act in a slightly more professional manner than RLP, its worth remembering that that the potential claimant is still the store NOT RLP nor any DCA.

 

RLP appear to have missed some important options from the list which are:-

 

v. Dismiss the claim in its entirity as there is no legal basis, (in fact if a claim was started I would be tempted to enter a Summary Judgement to have it dismissed on that basis).

 

In any event, all this prolonmged letter tennis only has relevance when used as part of a Pre-Action Protocol CPR (note the words pre-action, it is very clear that RLP have no intention of going anywhere near a court room after their previous embarassment, therefore it is totally irrelevant).

 

Also again Jackie and her gang are still deluded if they think that 'mitigating factors' have any relevance at all in a CIVIL claim.

 

As mentioned above, its nearly over, you are sensible enough not to give in to their demands for unwarranted money :)

 

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Ok so just over a month with no letters.... and I got another today!

 

This one isn't from RLP, which was expected as they apparently "passed my case" onto whoever. Anyway... here is a picture of the letter below. Do I need to send a letter back to this debt collector? Any info would be great, thanks.

 

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note to ITsryanzc Thank you very much for sending all the info through on your situation, esp with you 'seeing it through to the end' this has been really helpful. please continue to update.

 

It's fine. After all of this I'd like to think this thread will help plenty of people with what to expect.

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Ok so just over a month with no letters.... and I got another today!

 

This one isn't from RLP, which was expected as they apparently "passed my case" onto whoever. Anyway... here is a picture of the letter below. Do I need to send a letter back to this debt collector? Any info would be great, thanks.

 

 

Bog standard letter from Snotcall. Bottom feeding DCA of the lowest possible order. You can safely ignore them or tell them to do one. RLP will not want to pay for them to send you too many letters as it all gets rather expensive for them!

 

Interesting that they list the Creditor as Primark - I am sure Jackie would be most distressed if you sent her ill-gotten gains directly to Primark instead of her own pocket!

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Is ignoring the right thing to do? Renegadeimp (I think that's his name) said this last time.

 

"They only letter you need to send is to the DCAicon, if and when they contact you. If that happens, come right back here and we can tell you what to say."

 

If replying to them is the best option, could someone tell me what to say... so i can just copy and paste it and send it?

 

Secondly, I'd quite happily send these letters to primark if that'd help, as I'm sure they are oblivious as to what RLP is doing, or rather... how they go about threatening people.

 

Anymore info would be great, thanks.

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Interesting that they list the Creditor as Primark

 

Also note the use of the word "claim", not "debt" - An acknowledgement perhaps, that the sum being asked for is not a genuine debt.

 

If replying to them is the best option, could someone tell me what to say...

 

I do not acknowledge that the claim of £174.39 is owed to you or any client you purport to represent. Any further communication from yourselves or third parties acting on your behalf will be treated as harassment and will be reported to the relevant authorities.

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Some people want to be pro-active with the bottom feeders (sorry - DCA) and I am one of them-mainly cos I like to bait them.

 

Now it is with Scotcall, this farce is getting closer to being finished.

 

I would send them a simple one liner:

 

"Any claim you allege is denied and therefore I refer you to Presdram and Arkell."

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Bog standard letter from Snotcall. Bottom feeding DCA of the lowest possible order. You can safely ignore them or tell them to do one. RLP will not want to pay for them to send you too many letters as it all gets rather expensive for them!

 

Interesting that they list the Creditor as Primark - I am sure Jackie would be most distressed if you sent her ill-gotten gains directly to Primark instead of her own pocket!

 

Interesting also that the amount is quite precise £174.39, yet as we know when questioned in Oxford, they couldnt really come up with a decent explanation of how the cost was clacul;ated instead prefering to fall back on the old 'its a contribution to the costs' line (implying that they are a lot more, although still being unable to provide a decent explanation).

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Hello, sorry i just read these posts.. i am not able to understand what is the new organization rather than RLP. I still has not received any mail from RLP but still curious to know what this matter all about

 

Scotcall is a debt collection agency who are used by RLP when they fail in their attempts in getting you to pay up. This debt collector has as much power over you as I do- none! It is just the final steps before RLP give up

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I don't have microsoft word on this computer so I'm going to have to use a friends to type it out and then send it. I just fear that they won't receive the letter before the "7 days". Would they send another letter or attempt to call?

 

I'm working 60 hours this week I barely have a minute to eat nevermind write a letter and post it haha. Bad timing!

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Don't worry about the time frames they say. It means nothing. You could ignore them if you wish as they still cannot do a thing to you.

 

As for not having Microsoft Word. There is a free program on the interweb called Open Office. It works very well.

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They are just desparate to get you to pay them before they spend any more moneyon more letters etc. Dont encourage them by writing at all, just ignore them.

If the creditor really is Primark then they have no right to chasing you at all, only Primark can do that. Now as Primark havent supplied you with any goods or services they arent going to be after any money so why should you pay these people?

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Ok well I guess I'm ignoring this letter too, unsure if it's the right decision but we'll see in a couple of days.

 

Does anyone know what the next letter will be like, usually its a routine right... RLP, threaten threaten threaten, DCA... then what

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It is highly likely you will get around 3 letters from snotcall with the final one saying something along the lines of:

 

As you haven't contacted us etc. we may now recommend to our client that they take legal action.

 

This means bu**er all as their client (RLP) cannot do that anyway.

 

No need to stress.

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If scotcall contact you, ignore them. Totally. They send 2-3 generic letters then run off. They are literally the DCA that is at the very bottom of the barrel. They just like making lots of noise to make them appear tougher than they actually are.

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Hello all,

 

Finally i got the letter from RLP.

 

Its written that "our client is anxious to recoup their costs, they are also inclines to use Civil Recovery as a deterrent against further incidents. in consideration of the particular circumstances of this case, our client is prepared to suspend this case indefinitely, providing you are not involved, or are suspected to be involved, in any further incidents on any of our clients premises.

 

You are further notified that your details will be held n strict accordance with the Data Protection Act 1998.

 

If you do not believe you are responsible for the incident then you should send a full written response within 21 days, clearly outlining the specific areas of dispute and providing a defense.

 

This is just a part of the letter, rest its explaing what exactly happened that day.

 

My question:

 

What is my next step?

why they have not mentioned any fine or compensation in the letter? are they going to come my place and take me to jail?

what is this Data Protection Act? Will i be stopped at the Airport while going back to India.

 

Reply ASAP.

 

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Ignore it. Or send the one line letter.

 

You will NOT go to jail. How many times do we have to say it before people listen.

 

RLP HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LEGAL SYSTEM AND NEVER WILL.

 

They have no rights, no legal standing nothing. it is one woman trying to trick money out of people by playing on their guilt. Plain and simple.

 

Primark probably dont even know RLP are sending the letters with this content.

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total garbage

 

if you look at other posts here you'll find the exact same letter

 

totally ignore it

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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