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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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This is the main reason you don't call a DCA, they LIE do as they see fit when they want to. Firstly don't worry put this all in writing and send it off to them, they will start letter tennis, but you must state what YOU will pay and WHEN its not for them to dictate to you. If you have limited funds available and they demand an I&E don't give it to them they cannot get it, only a judge has that power,

 

Basically a DCA will try every trick in the book to get money from you, but if you follow advice from here, that will/maybe much less than you think.

 

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I had a letter from JD williams about a JDW and SimplyB Account that I owe money on.

I had been paying £1 per month

the payment plan they offered was £10.00 for Simply B and £5 for JDW.

 

I was able to pay a bit more so offered £10.00 each account payable by standing order on 4th of every month,

the first payment would be made on 4th October as I had already sent a £1.00 payment in September

 

They sent an email saying payment plan was agreed £10.00 each with payments on 28th Month.

 

Wrote back and said no thats not I agreed and sent them a copy of my letter making it clear payment

would be made by SO on 4th of Month (thats when it would hit their bank)

 

I got a hard copy of the 'plan letter' with same dates on 28th Month

which I ignored as it was a confirmation of their email and I had already replied.

 

I now have a statement for my Simply Be account which says I am overdue a payment

they have taken the £10.00 Oct payment off but have sent me an invoice for £20.00

to be paid on by 18th November which includes overdue payment of £10.00.

 

They have charged me £15.17 credit charge

and have said that there will be a charge of 12.00

if I dont pay in full as an administration charge for the reminder.

 

They should have the £10.00 November payment by Monday

but I am not prepared to pay an extra £10.00 by 18th as this is not what I agreed.

 

What is my next step can I report them to OFT for setting up a payment date when they know I have not agreed to it.

 

I owe 553 to Simply B and about 750 to JD Williams.

 

They haven't sent me anything about the JDW account.

 

Payments are being made through Reliable Collections

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Ignore the penalty charges. Theyre not enforceable.

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3 threads merged

 

simply be are JDW so you have 2 accounts?

 

never mind..

 

did you ever send them an SAR to get al the statements?

 

might be worth it

 

as over both of them

you'll hve heeps of £12 PENALTY fees for everything from letter/late/over/debt management/phonecall/its raining today

 

charges that can all be reclaimed

you might even find they are charging you their stealth PPI too!

 

if you have TOLD them via letter/email what they re going to get

that's the end of it

 

I would not be entering into any email/letter tennis.

 

if they still keep charging interest & fees

drop them to £1PCM!!

 

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Update

 

I had dropped my payments down to £1.00 per month in November as they would not accept a monthly payment of £10.00 per account

 

I had a letter in December that told me they could not accept payments per calendar month as my agreement was for every 28 days

and they required 13 payments per year.

 

I had a letter on 7th Jan that said 'they had made repeated attempts to contact me' and that I had to ring them within 48 hours to stop any further action.

They also told me that if I called them they would look to reduce my £10.00 per 28 days payment plan

 

I replied back

 

first of all I made it clear that I disputed that they had attempted to talk to me

 

A I had made it clear in every letter I had sent them that I would only communicate in writing and

B I log all calls to my landline using 'who called me' and there has been no inbound calls to me on any number that can be attributed to them.

 

I told them that I would be happy to commence payment of £10.00 per account but it would be by standing order on the 4th of the month,

I also told them that if they required 13 payments per year I would pay an extra £10.00 per account on 4th Jan 2015

making 13x10.00 between 4th Feb 2014 and 4th Jan 2015,

 

I also told them that if I was able to increase my payments or pay all/some of the monies owed I would contact them to arrange it.

 

Today I got another letter

 

this letter told me that their systems cannot support any payments other then every 28 days

which made some of my payments late therefore they could charge late payment fees.

 

I have been given a form to sign to say that I will agree to payments every 28 days

and that I will accept the removal of 3 x 12.00 applied to both accounts in December 2013

and Jan 2014 in a full settlement of my complaint.

 

In their letter they also stated that I first told them of my financial problems in Oct 2013

and that they attempted to support me at that time,

this is totally incorrect as I let them know of my financial situation in May 2013

and have copies of every letter I received from them and copies of my dated replies going back from May 2013.

 

I am going to my bank next week to see if I can pay them every 28 days without setting up a direct debit

- which I refuse to do and intend to write to them once the bank has given me the best option in how to pay through them ( and not by DD/phone or online)

 

I have no intention of signing their form until I know if my bank can help me and will only print my name and not use my normal signature.

If I am owed £36 per account due to these late payment charges do I really need to 'sign' anything to get these charges removed

 

In April this year my Husband will reach pension age and get a lump sum from a private pension which will allow me to pay some of the money,

if I get an SAR which shows how much they have charged me in admin charges and late payments,

can I deduct these charges and offer them a full and final payment of the actual money I owe them

 

Any help would be appreciated

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you call the shots NOT THEM

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we've heard this 28 crap several times before

just stick by your guns.

 

why cant you pay them via YOUR internet banking webportal?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you call the shots NOT THEM

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we've heard this 28 crap several times before

just stick by your guns.

 

why cant you pay them via YOUR internet banking webportal?

 

I dont do internet banking

 

Can I refuse to pay every 28 days and pay per calendar month - is there someone I can see where it has been done before

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Of course you can pay like that. instead of Internet banking, simply get their bank details and a ref number, walk into your nearest branch and tell the person on the counter you want to set up a SO for a certain amount, to be paid on a date of your choice. Simple.

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Of course you can pay like that. instead of Internet banking, simply get their bank details and a ref number, walk into your nearest branch and tell the person on the counter you want to set up a SO for a certain amount, to be paid on a date of your choice. Simple.

 

Hi yes I have done that and am paying on the 4th of the month by standing order but they want it every 28 days instead of every calender month abd say I have no choice

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