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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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can someone tell me before I write this e-mail if the National standards apply to Jacobs when collecting rent arrears' I don't think/know if my DIL has been taken to court for the arrears'

 

It not until you see first hand someone who truly is a vulnerable a debtor go to bits when told Jacobs will be paying a visit (as debt collector's in case I think) that you understand how bad it can affect them

 

To say im :-xis an understatement

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I'm surprised that they are using a bailiff/debt collector I've not known it before, I would suspect they would be covered (if not chasing court debts) by debt collecting, but I'm not 100%

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The statutory regulations regarding the certification of bailiffs may be found in the Distress for Rent Rules 1988 and the applicable fee scale in relation to the collection of rent arrears may also be found in the same regs.

 

Most certificated bailiffs enforce debts on behalf of a government agency (council tax and parking charge notices) and others enforce unpaid rent arrears. All of them will be certificated under the Distress for Rent Rules 1988 and accordingly, they must all abide by the National Standards.

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They must abide by the NSEA. There can be no doubt.

 

 

TT Thanks for that

 

I know Jacobs read these threads so just to let them know the wee welsh lassie that phoned you today and explained the reason she had missed 2 payment was because she is dying of cancer and has spent the last 6 months going through her 2nd round of chemo (end of life treatment)

 

after what you said to her today I am totally and utterly disgusted you have sunk to a whole new level today

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TT Thanks for that

 

I know Jacobs read these threads so just to let them know the wee welsh lassie that phoned you today and explained the reason she had missed 2 payment was because she is dying of cancer and has spent the last 6 months going through her 2nd round of chemo (end of life treatment)

 

after what you said to her today I am totally and utterly disgusted you have sunk to a whole new level today

 

 

Hallow nothing can describe the horror and absolute disgust and contempt I feel for Jacobs after this post, they are the lowest of the low. They need a compulsory winding up notice, they are beyond contempt

What nastiness did they spout this time, we don't care, pay up we will clear the house etc etc, or worse?

Nothing surprises me about that heartless bunch of cretins at Jacobs, they are the sort who would levy and clamp a paramedic ambulance attending a debtors house after they collapsed as a result of their bailiffs behaviour. Clamping third party and random motors is their usual Modus Operandi.:-x:-x

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blowing my top at Jacobs inhumanity and heartlessness ignoring vulnerability

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These employees need exposing. They need photographing perhaps when leaving the pig pen where they work and then plastering their pictures all over the internet. Sick individuals working for mentally ill companies. Let's face it, no one in their right mind would try and put pressure on a terminally ill person. Like I've mentioned before, I am seriously considering a name and shame Bailiff Web site and having it administered abroad.

 

I encourage everyone hassled by Bailiff firms and or DCAs to record all telephone calls. You only need to reply to one letter and have small print at the bottom of it stating calls to you home / mobile may be monitored for training and security purposes. - play these criminals at their own game.

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Hallow if there is anything we can do to help, you have our support,

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Hallowitch.

 

The complaint appears to be very serious indeed and given the exceptional circumstances I would suggest that it is referred to their Senior Partner; Mr Simon Jacobs.

 

Given that Simon Jacobs was the previous President of CIVEA he would be the best person to address such a complaint.

 

In the morning I will let you have his contact details ( email address).

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Hallowitch.

 

The complaint appears to be very serious indeed and given the exceptional circumstances I would suggest that the complaint should be referred to the Senior Partner; Mr Simon Jacobs.

 

In the morning I will let you have his contact details ( email address).

 

Thanks for that I most certainly will be making a complaint to him I sent the head of revenues an e-mail about an hour ago and believe it or not I've had reply from him

 

she said to me I couldn't believe they way they were speaking to me I missed 2 payment I told them why they said you have my sympathy and then they threatened me with assorts they are to come to the house taking me to court and you should have heard how they were speaking to me really nasty (her words)

 

 

about 6 weeks ago my daughter in-law finished he second round of chemo (we were devastated when we found out the treatment she had last year didn't work ) this second treatment that she has is new approved November last year and the side effects can be pretty bad (she is just getting over a collapsed lung) then she went for a scan to see if the treatment had started to work this time , then she had and wait on her results that's why paying Jacobs was the last thing on her mind

 

Quite frankly im surprised she is only 2 payments behind she has paid almost half the debt its not as if she is avoiding it

 

its about time ALL local authority's stopped there bailiff using manual payment method as the rule rather than the exception in this day and age

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When the revised National Standards were announced last year, there was a Press Release from the (previous) Justice Minister which stated that MOJ expect all LOCAL AUTHORITIES to also abide by the NSEA. I will dig out a copy in the morning.

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Don't forget to copy your MP and AM into the complaint, along with the local member for your DIL Jacobs must be called to account for this heartless treatment of someone who is genuinely vulnerable.

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Just to let you know the debt has been returned to the council

 

A big thanks to the head of revenues of my council Jacobs have been informed not to contact my DIL again under any circumstance's and she has been given a number to phone if they do get in touch with her

 

I believe Jacobs had to send a fax/e-mail to my council to put it in writing that they will not contact her again

 

TT thanks for the PM will be in touch soon

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I'm glad the council saw sense Hallow, and you and DIL can rest easier now, looks like Wrexham Council care after all. hope they think twice when someone complains about their contracted bailiffs in future.

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It would seem that common sense has prevailed at WREXHAM COUNCIL and well done to them !!!

 

You and your family must be going through a most dreadful time at the moment and I do hope that your daughter in law makes a speedy recovery. A big hug from me to you all xxx

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These employees need exposing. They need photographing perhaps when leaving the pig pen where they work and then plastering their pictures all over the internet. Sick individuals working for mentally ill companies. Let's face it, no one in their right mind would try and put pressure on a terminally ill person. Like I've mentioned before, I am seriously considering a name and shame Bailiff Web site and having it administered abroad.

 

I encourage everyone hassled by Bailiff firms and or DCAs to record all telephone calls. You only need to reply to one letter and have small print at the bottom of it stating calls to you home / mobile may be monitored for training and security purposes. - play these criminals at their own game.

 

I too have had trouble from Jacobs, they seem to think that they are above the law and immune to legislation re vulnerable clients, can't we take them on? form an action group?

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