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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I received a letter from Winged Messenger this morning

- addressed to the current occupier

- it was basic just asking me to phone a number to make contact as they are looking for someone.

 

After a google search I arrived here and now I know why I got this.

 

Around 10 years ago my husband and I defaulted on a debt, it wasnt much but to us it was massive after losing out jobs because of sickness.

 

My husband has a cracked spine and I am his full time carer.

 

Over the years we have had different people contact us and each time we offer some money but they get nasty and tell us it isnt enough.

 

It got so bad I had a breakdown.

 

For a year we gathered birthday/xmas gifts as money and got enough to pay for me to go bankrupt but never had enough for my husband.

 

I think this is connected to a text my husband got looking for both of us but the name and number was stranger so we ignored it.

 

Before this the last time a debt agency cotacted us was about 2 years ago ( my bankrupcy was around 7 years ago)

 

Can anyone help with advice on how to deal with these people.

 

We have less money now that before to try to even live on and with benefit cuts and bedroom tax we will have even less in the new year

- We live in Northern Ireland.

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check your CRA file me thinks

 

prob a fleecing dca trying it on.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Tough, it's Statute Barred, send the foolish children this http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/content.php?408-Letter-sent-when-debt-is-statute-barred

 

then forget them, if they persist in harassing you for a debt you don't owe, then come back here and they can have both barrels. If you can you should send it recorded delivery, this will then give you strict proof of them receiving it , and should they persist, you will have solid evidence of them ignoring legislation and guidelines.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Name & Registered Office:

WINGED MESSENGER LIMITED

66/70 COOMBE ROAD

NEW MALDEN

SURREY

KT3 4QW

Company No. 03118947

 

 

spacer.gifspacer.gifspacer.gifspacer.gif Status: Active

Date of Incorporation: 27/10/1995

 

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Company Type: Private Limited Company

Nature of Business (SIC):

74990 - Non-trading company

Accounting Reference Date: 31/12

Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/12/2011 (DORMANT)

Next Accounts Due: 30/09/2013

Last Return Made Up To: 13/10/2012

Next Return Due: 10/11/2013

Last Members List: 13/10/2012

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CCA Home Page :: CCA Search :: CCA Search Results :: Licence Details

 

Application / Licence Details

 

 

 

Licence Number:0322518

Licence Status:Current

 

Current Applicant / Licensee:

 

Business NameCompany Registration Number Global Debt Recovery Limited2597906

 

Categories:

 

Consumer credit Debt collecting Provision of credit information services, excluding credit repair

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

 

 

Trading Name(s) (Current):

 

Armstrong Recoveries Family Finance (New Malden) GDR GDR Collections Global Global Collections Intertrade Collections The Winged Messenger Tracing Associates

 

Trading Name(s) (Historic):

 

Inter Trade Collections Family Finance Family Finance UK Mortgage

 

Issued Date: 22-Sep-1991

Date Maintenance Payment Due: 23-Nov-2016

 

 

Legal Formation:

 

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Celia Bunyer David Crozier Jack Edward Bunyer

 

Historic Individuals that run the organisation:

 

NamePosition Celia BunyerOFFICER David Crozier Mr Jack Edward BunyerOFFICER Ms Claire FreemanOFFICER Susan RallisonOFFICER

 

Nature of Business:

 

Debt Collection Other

 

Current Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress CorrespondenceMilbourne House, 66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW, United Kingdom Principal Place Of BusinessMilbourne House, 66-70 Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Registered OfficeMilbourne House, 66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW, United Kingdom

 

Historic Address(es):

 

Address TypeAddress Correspondence66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Principal Place Of Business66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Registered Office66-70, Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW Registered OfficeMilbourne House, 66-70 Coombe Road, New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4QW

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The debt is over 10 years old, over the ten years I have tried to offer money but they always refused, sold the debt on and I start over again. This was a credit card debt.

 

If the debtor has admitted to the debt in writing within 6 years and the debt owner is aware of this, then is may still be enforceable as they could argue it is not statute barred.

 

Best thing to do is not respond and wait to see if they send further letters.

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I have never given anything in writing at all, it was always done with phonecalls, abuse then me hanging up - we have never wrote anything to anyone - thanks for the help I will let you know what happens

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NO NO NO

 

NEVER EVER phone a fleecing DCA.

 

you must have a paper trail

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have never given anything in writing at all, it was always done with phonecalls, abuse then me hanging up - we have never wrote anything to anyone - thanks for the help I will let you know what happens

 

Oh good. See what they send next and report back.

We could do with some help from you.

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I have just received a letter from these idiots (winged messengers), Mind you they must think I am stupid because I dealt with them three years ago but last time it was Global Dept recovery (same people, just using another company name) I will string them along now for several months then inform them its and old dept and it is statue barred.........

 

 

List of Companys they run :

 

Winged messenger global dr ltd

Global dr ltd

Global Dept recovery limited

Global Direct services plc

Tower investigations ltd

Columbus investigations limited.

 

People (****) Who will be harassing you

 

Name : Susan Rallison

Officers Title: Ms

Date of Birth: 11-10-1959

Address: 66/70 Coombe Road

New Malden

KT3 4QW

Nationality: U. Kingdom

Director of following Companys

Global Dept recovery limited

Global Direct services plc

Tower investigations ltd

Columbus investigations limited.

 

Name : Jack Edward Bunyer

Officers Title : Mr

Date Of Birth : 15-08-1949

Address :

Address: 68 Coombe Road

New Malden

KT3 4QW

Nationality: U. Kingdom

Director of same Companies as Susan Rallison As well as these:

Winged messenger global dr ltd

Global Dr ltd

 

Name Celia Bunyer

Officers Title : Ms

Date of birth : 27-05-1954

Director of same companys as Jack Edward Bunyer

Address:

66 Coombe Road

New Malden

KT3 4QW

Nationality: U. Kingdom

 

I actually by passed the po box address they supplied with the letter and sent the statue barred letter directly to the director named above, It did the trick never heard from global again.

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Of course prostitutes have baby's, Where do you think DCA staff come from...............

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Made the mistake of phoning Global Debt,

told them I can not pay on a debt that is over 10 years old.

 

I had left moving details 11 years ago with TSB but they never contacted me and with family illness and a breakdown myself they were the last thing on my mind.

 

Now after all this time I am getting letters, I tried to talk to them but they are snatty on the phone and I hung up

- is the status barr thing active in NI were I now live if the debt was taken out in England?

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Never phona DCA!!

 

If the debt is statute barred it's the same as the UK mainland 6 years no payment or written acknowledgment of the debt.

So send the following to the COMPLIANCE MANAGER at Global.

 

Ref: as on their letterrs

 

Sir,

 

I refer to recenyt correspondence regarding a debt for £xxx.xxx which you alleged is owed by me, take note I do not acknowledge any debt to Global Debt recovery or any company you may claim to represent.

 

Having reviewed my credit history I have concluded that any such alleged deb is STATUTE BARRED, therefore I will NOT make any payment in relation to the alleged debt

 

Should Global Debt Recovery wish to dispute the status of the alleged debt I remind you that the onus of providing proof that the alleged debt is not statute barred lies entirely with Global Debt Recovery, I do not have to prove the status of the debt.

Final Response.

 

Send Recorded delivery.

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merged to existing thread

please keep to one thread per debt..

 

NEVER EVER phone a dca

 

you were told this back in jan too

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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