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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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Hi Guys,

Heidi has been in touch tonight, discussed the whole situation as outlined in the email. She says she has to forward an email onto Vodafone Quality Assurance and we may be waiting upto 10 days for their decision :(. We are realy worried still as not only could we loose the house in this time, but also Heidi seemed to think the Quality Assurance Team may refuse to remove the default because I did not update them with my new address.

 

My argument was that the reason a debt was generated after my contract was terminated and after my direct debits had stopped was because I acted as advised by Vodafone customer services to cancel my Direct Debit on the advised date. I argued that this marker they had put against my name by placing a default on my credit history was in no way a fair and true representation of my payment ability.

 

I explained our current situation re house, children etc and the stress and effect this was having on our lives and Heidi said she understood and if it were up to here she would remove the default, but the decision lies in the hands of the Quality Assurance Team?

 

WE are awaiting the decision on tenderhooks, keeping everything crossed. As I explained to Heidi for the sake of a £16.00 missed payment (caused by vodafones miscommunication) we could loose this house which will have a devastating effect on our future :(

 

WE will keep up updated when we hear anything. If anyone has any further advice it would be greatly appreciated.

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Can you put a "note of correction" on your credit file?

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Can you put a "note of correction" on your credit file?

 

Locutus beat me to it. A notice of correction can be up to 200 words long and so long as it is factual, the CRA won't edit it.

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Hello,

 

How do I go about putting a Note of Correction on my credit file? I assume the default will still be on there? The problem is teh mortgage lenders/banks etc are not looking passed the word "default" they wont even assess the rest of my credit report, just and automatic decline :(.

 

Thanks Again

 

Lucy

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yes that is the issue.

 

did they tell you it was a voda default or you found out afterwards?

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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i have someone going thru the exact same thing as you.

 

they cancelled on the phone one month before the end of contract as the phone went faulty

they never used it again after putting the same sim in another phone to ring voda and tell them this.

 

voda then said, that againt their terms to ports the sim . so did not cancel the contract apparently!

 

they also took several dd's after this date some years ago now - so relaim/dd return too rolled into this one

 

friend has only just found that out too.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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In circumstances such as this where the customer has followed the instructions provided by the company concerned, there is no excuse for their not immediately removing the default.

 

There might be some milage in re-iterating your complaint to Vodaphone:

That you followed their instructions regarding cancelled the contract and direct debits yet they registered a default with the credit reference agencies for an amount that you were not billed.

That you have been refused a mortgage on a house that you would like to purchase because of the default that they have improperly placed

That you will sue them for a very large amount if you lose the house purchase

Vodaphone can remove defaults immediately.

I would try insisting that they do so.

 

An email or two submitted in different ways won't harm yur case. If you can find the MD's email, so much the better

 

Keep all of the documentation regarding the house, your mortgage applications and refusals and a log of all calls (or better still, a recording) because if you lose the house and can show that, on the balance of probabilities, it is because of Vodaphone's unwarranted actions, you will be able to sue them for a very large amount of money (possibly the house price), possibly on a no-win-no-fee basis

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The top mans name is Guy Laurence. His email address is available on the Vodafone website

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Thanks Guys for all this info.

 

I did assert to Heidi on the phone yesterday that I strongly advise they remove the default asap or else I will have no other option than to fight for our future and I will proceed to court. Not only for the potential loss of the house of our dreams but also for the distress and psychological effect this has had on me and my fiance. I have not been able to eat or sleep or concentrate at work properly with the uncertainty of the outcome. Never mind the fact that my Credit REport is so damaged by this that if we were to even need to try and move to rent somewhere else within the next 6 years, we wouldnt pass the credit checks.

 

I am furious that Vodafone have put a "label" on me as being a "high risk" to other lenders. IT is clear from my history of paying hundreds of pounds to vodafone that this is FALSE and they cannot be allowed to continue to affect good, hardworking peoples lives in this way,

 

It is a crazy world we live in where because of a miscommunication, a debt is generated and even if that person was in error (which I am not), after being brought down to their knees in tears, a company with far too much power will still REFUSE to remove a default that could destroy that persons future........ Just because they can.

 

A default should be placed on someones credit file to alert other lenders that there is TRUE AND PROVEN risk by lending to that person.........That is not true of me, or many others who have been "labelled" as such by Vodafone.

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just bear-in-mind another scenario.

 

if they [wrongly] thought the contract was still live

 

then they would have put markers on the cra file 'late/no payment'

 

after 6 of these the CRA system automatically changes it to 'D' or 8

 

and no further markers are allowed. and prev oes upto the D/8 are removed.

 

so voda migt not have issed a DN , but they still need to rectify the matter.!!

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi Lucy,

 

Apologies for the delay with my reply here.

 

As per your updates Heidi will be handling your case and although the outcome cannot be guaranteed she will get back to you as soon as she has more news.

 

I can certainly understand your emotions at this time and so please be assured that we'll do our best to get this looked into as quickly as possible.

Ignore all correspondence from their 'customer services' and wait for Lee to see this. He does come on regularly (not here ATM) so it may be sooner rather than later

 

Hi silverfox,

 

Unfortunately, I was a little tied up on Friday and so wasn't able to make an appearance.

 

However, in recognition of the urgency of Lucy's case I did ask Heidi to take a look at things for her.

I believe Heidi has been on these boards before, and is probably getting the ball rolling to correct this for you ASAP :)

 

Hi locutus,

 

Although Heidi hasn't yet made her debut on CAG it won't be too long as even I need to take time off. :-)

 

Kind regards to you all.

 

Lee

 

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I have seen the name a lot so I think she has handled issues (at least initially) in the past.

 

Guessing you have a holiday planned... if outside the EU watch them damn roaming rates! :p

 

I'm sure vodafone is aware that should an issue where a customer has been advised to follow a certain route, and they have followed those instructions, and end up with a default, this would add a lot of weight to any court case. As Durkin has said, small claims court for £5000 and removal of the default.

 

Over £16 this is ridiculous. Keep in mind this was a long term loyal customer.

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Hi Guys

Thankyou again so much for your support and thankyou Lee for getting in touch, Heidi was lovely on the phone the other day, she completely understood where I was coming from. I am hoping and praying that this can be resolved at this level rather than having to go further because tiem realy is precious right now.

 

And thankyou Locutus for pointing out that I was a very loyal longstanding client. As I have stated many times me and my Fiance are good honest hardworking people (Im a Nurse- Im even working today on a Bank Holiday!). We are not the type of people who would ever avoid paying any bill we knew we owed, we have too heavy conscience's.

 

Hand on heart we never knew we owed any money and that can be proven by the fact the debt letters were being sent to our old address, i never recieved them or the default notice.

 

Fingers and toes all still crossed for Vodafone to make the RIGHT and FAIR decision to remove the Default....this is not a game of power....this is my life and my familys future literally on the line.....over a £16.00 bill :(

 

Thankyou again everyone for your support

 

Lucy

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Hi,

 

Have just spoken to Lee on the phone, has lifted my spirits a little as although he cannot guarantee anything, he seems hopeful that we will be able to get things resolved :) Still keeping my fingers and toes crossed as we may eb waiting upto 10 days to hear :( but we will keep in touch to let you all know how we get on...perhaps a ray of hope!

 

Thanks

 

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Hi Lucy,

 

Thanks for your time on the phone yesterday.

 

As promised, as soon as we have an update for you we'll get back in touch to discuss things further.

I have seen the name a lot so I think she has handled issues (at least initially) in the past.

 

Guessing you have a holiday planned... if outside the EU watch them damn roaming rates! :p

 

I'm sure vodafone is aware that should an issue where a customer has been advised to follow a certain route, and they have followed those instructions, and end up with a default, this would add a lot of weight to any court case. As Durkin has said, small claims court for £5000 and removal of the default.

 

Over £16 this is ridiculous. Keep in mind this was a long term loyal customer.

 

Hi locutus,

 

I think you may be getting Heidi confused with Kirsty who used to post a couple of years ago.

 

This said, Heidi does post regularly on MSE and so you've most likely come across her there.

 

Whilst I can't go into the specifics of anyone's case Lucy can be assured that hers will be reviewed thoroughly before we arrive at any definitive conclusions.

 

Kind regards to you both.

 

Lee

 

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Vodafone UK

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Im pleased to say the default has been removed! Am OVER the moon! We are re-applying the application for the mortgage today so fingers crossed itl be smooth sailing now!

 

Thankyou again everyone for your support, thankyou Lee and Heidi for realy hurrying my case through :)

 

Lucy

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Hi Lucy,

 

Thanks for taking the time to update your thread with this wonderful news.

 

I really do hope that your mortgage application can now be approved so you and your partner can purchase the house you've set your hearts on.

 

If you don't mind, could you provide one final update once your mortgage is in place?

 

Take care and all the best for the future.

 

Lee

 

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Vodafone UK

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Im pleased to say the default has been removed! Am OVER the moon

I am very happy for you and well done for staying the course.

Can I add one thing though. Please check your credit file for the next couple of months. On one occasion that I know of, the default has been placed again.

 

 

If you don't mind, could you provide one final update once your mortgagelink3.gif is in place?

 

Well done to you-again- Lee and I absolutely agree with the above statement. Once the mortgage is in place, I will mark this thread resolved

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Very happy for ya Lucyboo, Everything is crossed here for the mortgage and the house, the low interest rates and low amounts of people buying should give you an edge in this market. Keep us informed, hoping to hear your good news become great news soon.

 

Well done as usual Lee, ps. This is the thread where I read of Heidi in your team is HERE

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Hi

Ive tried to contact Heidi both yesterday and today but had no reply, just because my mortgage adviser has asked me to check that vodafone have removed the default from all of the other Credit Reference Agenceis (i.e. Equafax and Callcredit....) not just the one I use Experian.

 

The application in principle re-application is still being reviewed by the mortgage lender of our choice, they have taken two days to review so far? So im a little concerned why they are having to review so extensivly now both mine and my fiances credit reports are showing "Excellent" and we have more than enough income to cover repayments and we have the deposit ready also? I think my mortgage advisor wants to make sure that our Credit Reports are clear with all the companies incase we get declined again and have to apply with another lender :(.

 

The only reason I can see for our current application being declined though is the fact that they are aware there WAS a default that has now being removed? I have the feeling if we were new applicants with my now "Excellent " rating, they would have said yes?

 

Anyhow we dont have an answer either way yet and so ill keep you updated.

 

Does anyone know whether this will already be the case, that all of them have had the default removed from them? All Ive been informed by vodafone is that they updated the CRA with the default removal, and my experian credit report is now showing Excellent. But I dont know whether the CRA would then automatically update the others?

 

Any help gratefully recieved whilst Im awaiting a reply from Heidi or Lee

 

 

Thankyou

 

Lucy

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no they wont tell the others

 

check

 

https://www.noddle.co.uk/signup?source=mgm

i would be inclined to get a letter off vodafone that states they have removed the default

as it was an accounting mistake.

that way you can fwd it to whomever needs it

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Hi Lucy,

 

I'm afraid Heidi has been out of the office for the last couple of days.

 

However, I can reassure you that the removal of the adverse information has been carried out with all three credit reference agencies.

 

Hopefully it won't be too long now before you know the outcome of your mortgage application.

Very happy for ya Lucyboo, Everything is crossed here for the mortgage and the house, the low interest rates and low amounts of people buying should give you an edge in this market. Keep us informed, hoping to hear your good news become great news soon.

 

Well done as usual Lee, ps. This is the thread where I read of Heidi in your team is HERE

 

Blimey locutus, you've got a good memory.

 

I'd forgotten that Heidi had had some involvement with that thread.

This Lee looks like he knows his stuff, I hope he can help me too.

 

I do try Simon.

 

I'll also pick up your concerns in reply to your thread here in a moment.

 

Kind regards to you all.

 

Lee

 

Web Relations Team

 

Vodafone UK

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Just read this how do i go about hurrying my default through as i have been on to vodafone and they said it will take 2 weeks, i have 2 months to find a house before our new build house is complete... Please help im fuming at vodafone and me and my fiance are thinking of takung vidafone to court uf this doesnt get sorted. Please help. X

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Just read this how do i go about hurrying my default through as i have been on to vodafone and they said it will take 2 weeks, i have 2 months to find a house before our new build house is complete... Please help im fuming at vodafone and me and my fiance are thinking of takung vidafone to court uf this doesnt get sorted. Please help. X

 

I have started a thread for you here

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?350433-Vodafone-default-Can-t-get-Mortgage

 

Carry on posting on that one and not here as it will only get confusing otherwise

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