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    • Hi there, Here is the sticky filled out as best as possible:  Which Court have you received the claim from? MCOL (County Court Business Centre, Northampton) Name of the Claimant: Uk Parking Control Limited Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal Date of issue: March 2023 Following events: — DQ sent to me July 2023 — I filed a DQ in September 2023 — My claim was transferred to [my local court] September 2023 — Received Notice of Allocation to Small Claims Track (Hearing) including date for hearing in April 2024 — Witness statement due by May 14 — Claimant must pay court fees by May 17 — Court hearing on June 18   What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? Please type out their particulars of claim (verbatim) less any identifiable data and round the amounts up/down. 1. The defendant is indebted to the claimant for a Parking Charge issued at [x] issued to vehicle [__] at Walcot Yard, Walcot Road, Bath, Ba1 5bg. 2. The PCN details are [___]. 3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of the Terms on Cs signs (the Contract), this incurring the PCNs. 4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests, the PCN is outstanding. The Contract entitles C to damages.  AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. £160 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages. 2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of [x]p until judgement or sooner payment. 3. Costs and court fees   What is the value of the claim? ~260 Amount Claimed ~170 court fees ~35 legal rep fees ~50 Total Amount  ~260   Have you moved since the issuance of the PCN? No   Did you receive a letter of Claim With A reply Pack wanting I&E etc about 1mth before the claimform? No Here is the defence I filed:  DEFENCE 1. The parking charges referred to in this claim did not arise from any agreement of terms. The charge and the claim was an unexpected shock. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all. It is denied that any conduct by the driver was a breach of any prominent term and it is denied that this Claimant (understood to have a bare licence as managers) has standing to sue or form contracts in their own name. Liability is denied, whether or not the Claimant is claiming 'keeper liability', which is unclear from the Particulars. The facts as known to the Defendant: 2. It is admitted that on the material date the Defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle in question, but liability is denied. 3. While working at a nearby premises, [___] the Defendant was informed by the manager that they had an informal verbal agreement with the developer and owner operator of [___], which supposedly allowed them to park there. Based on this information, the Defendant parked their car there in good faith. The Defendant was not aware of any restrictions or limitations to this agreement, and therefore believed that they had the right to park there without penalty. 4. The Defendant avers that the Claimant failed to serve a Notice to Keeper compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Consequently, the claimant cannot transfer liability for this charge to the Defendant as keeper of the vehicle. 5. The Particulars of Claim ('POC') appear to be in breach of CPR 16.4, 16PD3 and 16PD7, and fail to "state all facts necessary for the purpose of formulating a complete cause of action”. 6. The Defendant is unable, on the basis of the POC, to understand with certainty what case is being pursued. 7. The POC are entirely inadequate, in that they fail to particularise (a) the contractual term(s) relied upon; (b) the specifics of any alleged breach of contract; and (c) how the purported and unspecified 'damages' arose and the breakdown of the exaggerated quantum. 8. The claim has been issued via Money Claims Online and, as a result, is subject to a character limit for the Particulars of Claim section of the Claim Form. The fact that generic wording appears to have been applied has obstructed any semblance of clarity. The Defendant trusts that the court will agree that a claim pleaded in such generic terms lacks the required details and requires proper particularisation in a detailed document within 14 days, per 16PD.3 9. The guidance for completing Money Claims Online confirms this and clearly states: "If you do not have enough space to explain your claim online and you need to serve extra, more detailed particulars on the defendant, tick the box that appears after the statement 'you may also send detailed particulars direct to the defendant.'" 10. No further particulars have been filed and to the Defendant's knowledge, no application asking the court service for more time to serve and/or relief from sanctions has been filed either. 11. In view of it having been entirely within the Claimant's Solicitors' gift to properly plead the claim at the outset and the claim being for a sum, well within the small claims limit, such that the Defendant considers it disproportionate and at odds with the overriding objective (in the context of a failure by the Claimant to properly comply with rules and practice directions) for a Judge to throw the erring Claimant a lifeline by ordering further particulars (to which a further defence might be filed, followed by further referral to a Judge for directions and allocation) the court is respectfully invited to strike this claim out. 13. Whilst the new Code and Act is not retrospective, it was enacted due to the failure of the self-serving BPA & IPC Codes of Practice. The Minister is indisputably talking about existing (not future) cases when declaring that 'recovery' fees were 'designed to extort money'. A clear steer for the Courts which it is hoped overrides mistakes made in a few appeal cases that the parking industry desperately rely upon (Britannia v Semark-Jullien, One Parking Solution v Wilshaw, Vehicle Control Services v Ward and Vehicle Control Services v Percy). 14. Far from being persuasive, regrettably these one-sided appeals saw Circuit Judges led in one direction by Counsel for parking firms, and the litigant-in-person consumers lacked the wherewithal to appeal. In case this Claimant tries to rely upon these, the Defendant avers that errors were made in every case. Evidence was either overlooked (including signage discrepancies in Wilshaw, where the Judge was also oblivious to the BPA Code of Practice and the DVLA KADOE requirement for landowner authority) or the Judge inexplicably sought out and quoted from the wrong Code altogether (Percy). In Ward, a few seconds' emergency stop out of the control of the driver was unfairly aligned with the admitted parking contract in Beavis. Those learned Judges were not in possession of the same level of information as the DLUHC, whose incoming statutory Code of Practice now clarifies such matters as a definition of 'parking' as well as consideration and grace periods and minor matters such as 'keying errors' or 'fluttering tickets/permits' where a PCN should not have been issued at all, or should have been cancelled in the pre-action dispute phase. POFA and CRA breaches 15. Pursuant to Schedule 4 paragraph 4(5) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ('the POFA') the sum claimed exceeds the maximum potentially recoverable from a registered keeper, even in cases where a firm may have complied with other POFA requirements (adequate signage, Notice to Keeper wording/dates, and a properly communicated 'relevant contract/relevant obligation'). If seeking keeper/hirer liability - unclear from the POC - the Claimant is put to strict proof of full compliance and liability transferred. 16. Claiming costs on an indemnity basis is unfair, per the Unfair Contract Terms Guidance (CMA37, para 5.14.3), the Government guidance on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 ('CRA'). The CRA introduced new requirements for 'prominence' of both contract terms and 'consumer notices'. In a parking context, this includes signage and all notices, letters and other communications intended to be read by the consumer. 17. Section 71 creates a duty upon courts to consider the test of fairness, including (but not limited to) whether all terms/notices were unambiguously and conspicuously brought to the attention of a consumer. Signage must be prominent, plentiful, well placed and lit, and all terms unambiguous and obligations clear. The Defendant avers that the CRA has been breached due to unfair/unclear terms and notices, pursuant to s62 and paying due regard to examples 6, 10, 14 & 18 of Schedule 2 and the requirements for fair/open dealing and good faith. ParkingEye v Beavis is distinguished (lack of legitimate interest/prominence of terms) 18. ParkingEye overcame the possibility of their £85 charge being dismissed as punitive, however the Supreme Court clarified that ‘the penalty rule is plainly engaged’ in parking cases, which must each be determined on their own facts. That 'unique' case met a commercial justification test, and took into account the prominent yellow/black uncluttered signs with £85 in the largest/boldest text. Rather than causing other parking charges to be automatically justified, the Beavis case facts set a high bar that this Claimant has failed to reach. 19. Paraphrasing from the Supreme Court, deterrence is likely to be penal if there is a lack of a 'legitimate interest' in performance extending beyond the prospect of compensation flowing directly from the alleged breach. The intention cannot be to punish a driver, nor to present them with hidden terms, unexpected/cumbersome obligations nor 'concealed pitfalls or traps'. 20. In the present case, the Claimant has fallen foul of those tests. The Claimant’s small signs have vague/hidden terms and a mix of small font, and are considered incapable of binding a driver. Consequently, it remains the Defendant’s position that no contract to pay an onerous 'penalty' was seen or agreed. Binding Court of Appeal authorities which are on all fours with a case involving unclear terms and a lack of ‘adequate notice’ of a parking charge, include: (i) Spurling v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (‘red hand rule’) and (ii) Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1970] EWCA Civ2, both leading authorities confirming that a clause cannot be incorporated after a contract has been concluded; and (iii) Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest: CA 5 Apr 2000, where Ms Vine won because it was held that she had not seen the terms by which she would later be bound, due to "the absence of any notice on the wall opposite the parking space'' (NB: when parking operator Claimants cite Vine, they often mislead courts by quoting out of context, Roch LJ's words about the Respondent’s losing case, and not from the ratio). 21. Fairness and clarity of terms and notices are paramount in the statutory Code and this is supported by the BPA & IPC Trade Bodies. In November 2020's Parking Review, solicitor Will Hurley, CEO of the IPC, observed: "Any regulation or instruction either has clarity or it doesn’t. If it’s clear to one person but not another, there is no clarity. The same is true for fairness. Something that is fair, by definition, has to be all-inclusive of all parties involved – it’s either fair or it isn’t. The introduction of a new ‘Code of Practice for Parking’ provides a wonderful opportunity to provide clarity and fairness for motorists and landowners alike." Lack of standing or landowner authority, and lack of ADR 22. DVLA data is only supplied to pursue parking charges if there is an agreement flowing from the landholder (ref: KADOE rules). It is not accepted that this Claimant (an agent of a principal) has authority from the landowner to issue charges in this place in their own name. The Claimant is put to strict proof that they have standing to make contracts with drivers and litigate in their own name. 23. The Claimant failed to offer a genuinely independent Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). The Appeals Annex in the new incoming statutory Code shows that genuine disputes such as this would see the charge cancelled, had a fair ADR existed. Whether or not a person engaged with it, the Claimant's consumer blame culture and reliance upon the industry's own 'appeals service' should not sway the court into a belief that a fair appeal was ever on offer. The rival Trade Bodies' time-limited and opaque 'appeals' services fail to properly consider facts or rules of law and reject almost any dispute: e.g. the IAS upheld appeals in a woeful 4% of decided cases (IPC's 2020 Annual Report). Conclusion 24. The claim is entirely without merit. The Defendant believes that it is in the public interest that claims like this should be struck out because knowingly enhanced parking claims like this one cause consumer harm on a grand scale. 25. There is ample evidence to support the view - long held by many District Judges - that these are knowingly exaggerated claims. For HMCTS to only disallow those costs in the tiny percentage of cases that reach hearings whilst other claims to continue to flood the courts unabated, is to fail hundreds of thousands of consumers who suffer CCJs or pay inflated amounts, in fear of intimidating pre-action threats. 26. In the matter of costs, the Defendant asks: (a) at the very least, for standard witness costs for attendance at Court, pursuant to CPR 27.14, and (b) for a finding of unreasonable conduct by this Claimant, seeking costs pursuant to CPR 46.5. 27. Attention is drawn specifically to the (often-seen from this industry) distinct possibility of an unreasonably late Notice of Discontinuance. Whilst CPR r.38.6 states that the Claimant is liable for the Defendant's costs after discontinuance (r.38.6(1)) this does not normally apply to claims allocated to the small claims track (r.38.6(3)). However, the White Book states (annotation 38.6.1): "Note that the normal rule as to costs does not apply if a claimant in a case allocated to the small claims track serves a notice of discontinuance although it might be contended that costs should be awarded if a party has behaved unreasonably (r.27.14(2)(dg))." Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.
    • Hi, I was caught by the security guards today for shoplifting in John Lewis. I think total amount is about £500. They said they saw me on CCTV last week, I was freaked out so I admitted it. I know it’s awful… I cried as I was too scared and begged them pls don’t call the police. They took pics of me and wrote down my details from banking app as I didn’t have any id with me. I told them my difficulties that I was scammed £35k recently and I lost my job so I stole those things and sell them. I apologised and they said they won’t call the police but I’m banned and will receive letters from RLP for fines which including this time and the last time(I didn’t give back the goods I took last time). I know it’s very very bad, I feel shameful and so depressed so hopeless about everything happened. I wonder since it’s a lot of money, will they sue me, take me to the court, or will they change their mind to call the police when they check the cctv footage to check how much I owe them? I said sorry I really couldn’t afford the fine at this situation, they said it’s their job they can’t do anything. Later when I was out of the mall, the security guard said, I can call RLP to negotiate about the fee. Also I’m probably moving to another city in 2 months, so if they want to take me to court but I didn’t receive any letters what should I do… and the security guy told me it’s worse as I traveled to this city and stealing stuff. I’m home now but feeling awful, wish people could give me some advice, thank you very much.
    • Before you do any of the above – Stop! You need to spend a few days reading up on the stories on this sub- forum so that you understand the principles and you understand how to go about making your claim. We will help you – and you have a better than 95% chance of getting your money back – but you need to be in control of what you are doing. We will help you – but this is a self-help forum and you need to have done the reading so that you are confident of each step and you know your way forward. Please don't do anything at all – in particular don't send a letter of claim – until you have done all the reading and I would suggest that probably you will start drafting your letter of claim over the weekend. Also, you haven't told us anything about what has happened. We don't know dates, items dispatched, value, whether they were properly declared, whether you bought so-called insurance, you have been declined reimbursement but we don't know why. If you want us to help you then you will have to give us this basic information. Also the fact that you are an eBay trader makes this slightly more complicated although it doesn't at all affect your chances of success.  Read the other threads on this sub- forum – and especially the pinned threads at the top in order to understand the principles. You also quickly understand the kind of help that we will give you and you will understand some of the draft documents which have been used in other successful claims.
    • Thanks, I'm finishing up the skeleton and hope to have it done today. Will look at statement of case too and get that done over the next few days.
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Hi everyone,

I hope someone maybe able to offer me some advice,

 

I have a debt with Barclaycard for £5674.82,

I sent Barclaycard a Subject to access request about 4 months ago with £10 postal order, they never replied so I left it,

they had passed the debt to MKD LLP,

 

 

I wrote and told MKD what was happening, they were fine and sent it back to Barclay card.

 

Barclaycard since sold or given the debt to MK,

 

they have now sent me court papers for Northampton county court, letter dated 27th March I received it yesterday April 6th when I returned home

as I was away for 2 weeks due to a family illness in Italy.

 

As its bank holiday weekend I cannot phone the court as its closed,

MKD LLP have said call back Tueday as there legal team are not there until after the bank holiday weekend.

 

Barclaycard said they cant tell me anything until there collections open on Tuesday!

Im on incapacity benefit for chronic anxiety and depression and have been for the last few years so there is no way I can pay over £5k

I live with my wife who works part time and have a 6 year old son, our home is Mortgaged.

 

I have no idea what to do and am worried sick the bailiffs will come and take what little we have,

I know I should have chased Barclays for the data to reclaim my charges and interest but just thought they were dragging there heals

and to be honest was just glad all the phone calls and letters stopped,

 

if anyone can offer me any advice id be great full.

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Have a read through this thread.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?337892-Received-a-claim-from-arrow-global-at-Northampton-CC-really-dont-know-where-to-go&highlight=part+18

 

You need to send the cpr 31.14 letter to MKD asking for copies of the relevant documents, that are relevant to the particulars of claim.

 

It would be helpful to the thread and other people that respond, if you could add a post with details of the particulars of claim that have been sent to you. When you post, remove anything that could identify you.

 

At this point don't do anything with the court claim, until you have had further advice. I am not sure, whether you acknowledge to defend. It would depend on the details.

 

When did you last make any payments in regard to the BC account or admit in writing to owing the debt ?

 

Post back with a bit more detail of this history of the debt and when did you take out the BC account ? If it is an old BC account, they may not have the CCA on record, which not help them take this to court, if you were going to defend.

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Have a read through this thread.

 

 

You need to send the cpr 31.14 letter to MKD asking for copies of the relevant documents, that are relevant to the particulars of claim.

 

It would be helpful to the thread and other people that respond, if you could add a post with details of the particulars of claim that have been sent to you. When you post, remove anything that could identify you.

 

At this point don't do anything with the court claim, until you have had further advice. I am not sure, whether you acknowledge to defend. It would depend on the details.

 

When did you last make any payments in regard to the BC account or admit in writing to owing the debt ?

 

Post back with a bit more detail of this history of the debt and when did you take out the BC account ? If it is an old BC account, they may not have the CCA on record, which not help them take this to court, if you were going to defend.

 

Hi Thank you for replying, I took out the credit card in 1999 or so the court forms state.

The particulars state I its an over due balance, the defendant has failed to make payments in accordance with terms and conditions and a default notice has been served pursuant to cca 1974. the claimant has compiled as far as is necessary with the pre action conduct practise direction.

I think I made a few payments to Mercers about 18 months ago, but then they said I wasn't paying enough so there was nothing I could do about it, ill find out for sure on Tuesday when I call Barclaycard back.

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Hi Thank you for replying, I took out the credit card in 1999 or so the court forms state.

The particulars state I its an over due balance, the defendant has failed to make payments in accordance with terms and conditions and a default notice has been served pursuant to cca 1974. the claimant has compiled as far as is necessary with the pre action conduct practise direction.

I think I made a few payments to Mercers about 18 months ago, but then they said I wasn't paying enough so there was nothing I could do about it, ill find out for sure on Tuesday when I call Barclaycard back.

 

Who is noted as the claimant ?

Have you ever received any notice of assignment to confirm that MKD are now the owners of the debt ?

When did you stop paying Mercers ?

 

In the particulars it says that the claimant has complied with the pre action practice conduct direction. What has the claimant sent to you ?

We could do with some help from you.

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for a card that old was there a period of 6yrs when everything went quiet?

i'e no use or no payments?

 

what does your CRA file say about this debt?

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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for a card that old was there a period of 6yrs when everything went quiet?

i'e no use or no payments?

 

what does your CRA file say about this debt?

 

dx

 

Hi, what is a CRA?

Im pretty sure I used it within the last 6 years, we only got into financial trouble when I got ill and Cahoot started hammering us with interest.....

 

Can I send a Subject to access request to MKD LLP on Tuesday Special delivery as they have taken over the Barclaycard account?

 

Im not sure how to get more time to defend it because of the unfair charges and interest due to me only receiving on Friday evening when I returned,

 

I'm worried sick now reading through some of the Bailiff story's on another thread.

Thanks again for your reply.

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stop worrying about bailiffs, thats a very very long way off

and is not 'std' practice on a civil debt!

 

 

cra file is detailed below in my sig.

 

if you have already sent an SAR to barclaycard. you need to chase then up

has your £10 been cashed?

 

regardless of 'last' 6yrs, could there are been any period of 6yrs where you made no use/payment on it.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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for a card that old was there a period of 6yrs when everything went quiet?

i'e no use or no payments?

 

what does your CRA file say about this debt?

 

dx

 

Hi, what is a CRA? Im pretty sure I used it within the last 6 years, we only got into financial trouble when I got ill and Cahoot started hammering us with interest.....

 

Can I send a Subject to access request to MKD LLP on Tuesday Special delivery as they have taken over the Barclaycard account?

Im not sure how to get more time to defend it because of the unfair charges and interest due to me only receiving on Friday evening when I returned, I'm worried sick now reading through some of the Bailiff story's on another thread.

Thanks again for your reply.

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regardless of 'last' 6yrs, could there are been any period of 6yrs where you made no use/payment on it.

 

if there has been a payment within the last 6 years, and the OP is fairly clear that there has been,'then the debt is not statute barred even if there has earlier been such a 6 year period.

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Yes unlikely to be statute barred. You have been using the card and making some payments within the last 6 years.

 

I think MKD are hoping to get the CCJ by default on the basis that you won't defend. The particulars of claim you mention, don't appear to be serious, however, you have not typed up the whole wording. It does not mention any assignment or MKD having bought the debt and does not mention any interest.

 

Can you post the actual particulars of claim, removing anything that could identify you and can you also post who the actual claimants are. If MKD are making the claim, they need to show that they have been assigned or bought the debt.

 

I think if you acknowledged the claim and said that you will defend in full, it then gives you another 14 days, in which to submit a defence. To help you defend, you would send the CPR 31.14 letter, asking for all relevant documents to be disclosed to you. If you don't get these within the 14 days, you advise your local court, if this is allocated that the claimant had not complied with your CPR request. MKD might not proceed with the claim if they don't have the paperwork, once they hear you will defend.

We could do with some help from you.

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This is the CPR 31.14 letter which you would send to MKD.

 

Re: (Claimant's name) v (Your name) Case No:

CPR 31.14 Request

 

On (date) I received the Claim Form in this case issued by you out of the (Name) county courtlink3.gif.

 

I confirm having returned my acknowledgement of service to the court in which I indicate my intention to contest all of your claim.

 

[Prior to the issue of proceedings I had delivered a request for the production of the agreement mentioned in the Claim Form and on which you rely. That request was ignored][delete if no such request was delivered]

 

Please treat this letter as my request made under CPR 31.14 for the disclosure and the production of a verified and legible copy of [each of the following / the] document(s) mentioned in your Particulars of Claim:

 

1 the agreement. You will appreciate that in an ordinary case and by reason of the provisions of CPR PD 16 para 7.3, where a claim is based upon a written agreement, a copy of the contract or documents constituting the agreement should be attached to or served with the particulars of claim and the original(s) should be available at the hearing. Further, that any general conditions incorporated in the contract should also be attached.

 

2 the assignment*

 

3 the default notice*

 

4 the termination notice*

 

5 [any other documents mentioned in the Particulars of Claim]*

 

* delete if not mentioned in the Particulars of claim.

 

[Although your claim is for a sum which is not more than £5,000.00 and will in all likelihood be allocated to the small claims track for determination upon my delivering a defence, at this moment in time I have not delivered my defence and the case has not been allocated to a track. In consequence the provisions of CPR 27(2) are of no effect and you should not seek to avoid compliance with your CPR 31 duties by claiming otherwise]#

 

# delete if claim for a sum exceeding £5,000.00

 

You should ensure compliance with your CPR 31 duties and ensure that the document(s) I have requested are copied to and received by me within 7 days of receiving this letter. Your CPR 31 duties extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for the originals of the documents I have requested, the better for you to be able to verify the document's authenticity and to provide me with a legible copy. Further, where I have requested a copy of a document, the original of which is now in the possession of another person, you will have a right to possession of that document if you have mentioned it in your case. You must take immediate steps to recover and preserve it for the purpose of this case.

 

Where I have mentioned a document and there is in your possession more than one version of that same document owing to a modification, obliteration or other marking or feature, each version will be a separate document and you must provide a copy of each version of it to me. Your obligations extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for any version(s) to include an obligation to recover and preserve such version(s) which are now in the possession of a third party.

 

In accordance with CPR 31.15© I undertake to be responsible for your reasonable copying costs incurred in complying with this CPR 31.14 request.

 

If you require more time in which to comply with this request you must tell me in writing. You must tell me before the time for compliance with this request has expired. In telling me you require more time you must tell me what steps you have taken and propose to take in order to comply with this request and also state a date by when you will comply with this request. In addition your statement must be accompanied with a statement that you agree to an extension of the time for me to file my defence. Your extension of time must be not less than 14 days from the date when you say you will have complied with my request and you must state the new date for filing my defence.

 

If you are unable to comply with this request and believe that you will never be able to comply with this request you must tell me in writing.

 

Please note that if you should fail to comply with this request, fail to request more time or fail to agree to an extension of time for the filing of my defence, I will make an application to the court for an order that the proceedings be struck out or stayed for non-compliance and a summary costs order.

 

I do hope this will not be necessary and look forward to hearing from you.

 

yours faithfully (print name)

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if there has been a payment within the last 6 years, and the OP is fairly clear that there has been,'then the debt is not statute barred even if there has earlier been such a 6 year period.

 

 

once sb'ed always sb'ed not even a judge can unbar a debt

 

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Hi I will give you exactly what it states in the particulars box.

claimant TRADEPRO CARD SERVICES

Address for sending document sand payments,

MKDP LLP

(Excatly the same as Tradepro address)

particulars of claim

The claimant claims payment of overdue balance due from defendant under an agreement dated .....1999

The defendant has failed to make payment in accordance with the terms and conditions and a default notice has been served pursuant to the consumer credit act1974.

The claimant has compiled as far as is necessary , with the pre action conduct practise.

The claimant claims the sum of £5674.

 

Thats the exact wording, thanks again for taking the time to help me.

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Wait for other opinions. But I would suggest that you acknowledge the claim and that you will defend in full. Send the CPR 31.14 letter by recorded delivery, addressed to Tradepro Card Services/MKD at the address where they are based. MKD are probably their in house legal.

 

In the CPR letter, you can add a sentence about having made the subject access request and not having received any reply.

 

It is definately the CPR letter that you need to send and not the SAR.

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once sb'ed always sb'ed not even a judge can unbar a debt

 

dx

 

You're quite right in fact. Thanks for that.

 

(Save that, for certain claims, the court can extend the limitation period; but that's not relevant here)

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Hi I will give you exactly what it states in the particulars box.

claimant TRADEPRO CARD SERVICES

Address for sending document sand payments,

MKDP LLP

(Excatly the same as Tradepro address)

particulars of claim

The claimant claims payment of overdue balance due from defendant under an agreement dated .....1999

The defendant has failed to make payment in accordance with the terms and conditions and a default notice has been served pursuant to the consumer credit act1974.

The claimant has compiled as far as is necessary , with the pre action conduct practise.

The claimant claims the sum of £5674.

 

Thats the exact wording, thanks again for taking the time to help me.

 

Any other opinions on POC. To me these seem a bit lacking. If the debt was originally with Barclaycard and they have sold it to Tradepro Card Services, surely Tradepro needed to confirm in the POC, that they had bought the debt ? They have also not mentioned any interest.

 

I am not an expert, but I would say to acknowledge to defend in full and send the CPR 31.14. Any other opinions on the course of action ? The court claims need to be acknowledged by the OP in the next couple of days.

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Hi, do I acknowledge the claim on-line or by letter? also they have sent me an income and expenses form do I fill that in?

 

what is the basis of my defence? l I know I owe money to Barclaycard but I cant tell them what I owe until I get all the unfair charges and interest removed but I ve no time to get the correct figures.

 

My heads spinning with all this I really have no clue how this works! will I have to go to court in Northampton?

 

The claim is dated 27th March is it 5 days after this plus 14 days that I have to acknowledge/respond?

 

There is a section that says to admit part of the claim and if so how much but I cant tell them without the last 6 years accounts.

 

 

The other thing is i have never heard of Tradepro until this claim, other letters only mentioned MKD so I have no idea who Tradepro are.

 

I am totally stressed out by all this but its my fault for getting ill and not being able to keep up payment, thanks again for your help.

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As far as I know, you acknowledge online that you will defend in full and then you have 14 days to submit your defence, plus the claimant will have to provide the information relevant to the claim. When you enter the defence info, you ask for the claim to be moved to the nearest county court to you. ( others will be able to advise you on this or there is plenty of info online and on CAG). The court will send the claimant a copy of your defence. If they then want to proceed, both parties will be sent allocation questionnaires.

 

Once you have acknowledged, you then have the 14 days to decide on your defence. Ideally to enable this, you need the documents from Tradepro/MKD. But if you don't have these within the 14 days after acknowledgement, then your defence would be that Tradepro/MKD have not provided you with the documents pertinent to the POC following you sending them the CPR 31.14 request. Also you would dispute that Tradepro have any rights to any debt to Barclaycard, as they have not confirmed any assignment. You would dispute the amount of the court claim, as Barclaycard had not replied to requests for information, so that enquiries could be made about charges added to the account.

 

At this stage completing income and expenditure is not relevant, if you are disputing the debt.

 

Don't panic as more advice will be coming from others on CAG. ( It is Easter, so those more expert are probably having a break) What MKD are hoping is that you don't do anything and they win by default.

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Hi Guys how does this seem ok to send off?

 

MKD LLP janedow

 

DATED April 6TH

 

 

Re: (Tradepro) v (janedow) Case No:123456

CPR 31.14 Request

 

On 6th April I received the Claim Form in this case issued by you out of the (Name) county court. I was away due a family illness and only recieved the letter on my return.

 

I confirm having returned my acknowledgement of service to the court in which I indicate my intention to contest all of your claim.

 

I request the original credit aggreement from Barclaycard and sent them a subject to access request some months ago as I feel that there is unfair charges plus interest on the account.

 

Please treat this letter as my request made under CPR 31.14 for the disclosure and the production of a verified and legible copy of [each of the following / the] document(s) mentioned in your Particulars of Claim:

 

1 the agreement. You will appreciate that in an ordinary case and by reason of the provisions of CPR PD 16 para 7.3, where a claim is based upon a written agreement, a copy of the contract or documents constituting the agreement should be attached to or served with the particulars of claim and the original(s) should be available at the hearing. Further, that any general conditions incorporated in the contract should also be attached.

 

2 the assignment*

 

3 the default notice*

 

4 the termination notice*

 

5 [any other documents mentioned in the Particulars of Claim]

 

 

You should ensure compliance with your CPR 31 duties and ensure that the document(s) I have requested are copied to and received by me within 7 days of receiving this letter. Your CPR 31 duties extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for the originals of the documents I have requested, the better for you to be able to verify the document's authenticity and to provide me with a legible copy. Further, where I have requested a copy of a document, the original of which is now in the possession of another person, you will have a right to possession of that document if you have mentioned it in your case. You must take immediate steps to recover and preserve it for the purpose of this case.

 

Where I have mentioned a document and there is in your possession more than one version of that same document owing to a modification, obliteration or other marking or feature, each version will be a separate document and you must provide a copy of each version of it to me. Your obligations extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for any version(s) to include an obligation to recover and preserve such version(s) which are now in the possession of a third party.

 

In accordance with CPR 31.15© I undertake to be responsible for your reasonable copying costs incurred in complying with this CPR 31.14 request.

 

If you require more time in which to comply with this request you must tell me in writing. You must tell me before the time for compliance with this request has expired. In telling me you require more time you must tell me what steps you have taken and propose to take in order to comply with this request and also state a date by when you will comply with this request. In addition your statement must be accompanied with a statement that you agree to an extension of the time for me to file my defence. Your extension of time must be not less than 14 days from the date when you say you will have complied with my request and you must state the new date for filing my defence.

 

If you are unable to comply with this request and believe that you will never be able to comply with this request you must tell me in writing.

 

Please note that if you should fail to comply with this request, fail to request more time or fail to agree to an extension of time for the filing of my defence, I will make an application to the court for an order that the proceedings be struck out or stayed for non-compliance and a summary costs order.

 

I do hope this will not be necessary and look forward to hearing from you.

 

yours faithfully janedow

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As far as I know, you acknowledge online that you will defend in full and then you have 14 days to submit your defence, plus the claimant will have to provide the information relevant to the claim. When you enter the defence info, you ask for the claim to be moved to the nearest county court to you. ( others will be able to advise you on this or there is plenty of info online and on CAG). The court will send the claimant a copy of your defence. If they then want to proceed, both parties will be sent allocation questionnaires.

 

Once you have acknowledged, you then have the 14 days to decide on your defence. Ideally to enable this, you need the documents from Tradepro/MKD. But if you don't have these within the 14 days after acknowledgement, then your defence would be that Tradepro/MKD have not provided you with the documents pertinent to the POC following you sending them the CPR 31.14 request. Also you would dispute that Tradepro have any rights to any debt to Barclaycard, as they have not confirmed any assignment. You would dispute the amount of the court claim, as Barclaycard had not replied to requests for information, so that enquiries could be made about charges added to the account.

 

At this stage completing income and expenditure is not relevant, if you are disputing the debt.

 

Don't panic as more advice will be coming from others on CAG. ( It is Easter, so those more expert are probably having a break) What MKD are hoping is that you don't do anything and they win by default.

 

Hi, Thank you for clearing that up I sort of get it now, your help is much appreciated.

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Hi all, I have had dealings with these fools.

 

Tradepro started off as a business credit card lot for tradesmen, and touted their wares in national builders merchants,

they basically has a short skirt totty asking if anyone wanted to APPLY for a card.

- the interest rates were extortionate, late payment fees were 35 qiud - need I go on.

 

they tried to take my mate to court back end last year but I defended for him, and Tradepro didn't make the big payment to the court (£545)

by a week before hearing and we got case struck out.

 

I now see they are just low lide DCA's.

 

Defend with vigour my friend, they tried to say they had no-one to sign the cheque

- a big company like that and lots of money at stake, and nobody had a pen!!!!

 

they were just hoping we would cave in and they would win by default.

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Hi Guys how does this seem ok to send off?

 

MKD LLP janedow

 

DATED April 6TH

 

 

Re: (Tradepro) v (janedow) Case No:123456

CPR 31.14 Request

 

On 6th April I received the Claim Form in this case issued by you out of the Nortthampton county court.

 

I confirm having returned my acknowledgement of service to the court in which I indicate my intention to contest all of your claim.

 

I requested the original credit agreement from Barclaycard and sent them a subject to access request some months ago, as I feel that there is unfair charges plus interest on the account. They failed to respond to my request.

 

Please treat this letter as my request made under CPR 31.14 for the disclosure and the production of a verified and legible copy of each of the following documents, which are pertinent to the particulars of claim.

 

1 )the agreement. You will appreciate that in an ordinary case and by reason of the provisions of CPR PD 16 para 7.3, where a claim is based upon a written agreement, a copy of the contract or documents constituting the agreement should be attached to or served with the particulars of claim and the original(s) should be available at the hearing. Further, that any general conditions incorporated in the contract should also be attached.

 

2 ) the assignment

 

3) the default notice

 

4) the termination notice

 

5 ) Copies of all statements from Barclaycard which show how the sum of £5674 is calculated, plus a copy of the terms and conditions that applied to the account.

 

 

You should ensure compliance with your CPR 31 duties and ensure that the document(s) I have requested are copied to and received by me within 7 days of receiving this letter. Your CPR 31 duties extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for the originals of the documents I have requested, the better for you to be able to verify the document's authenticity and to provide me with a legible copy. Further, where I have requested a copy of a document, the original of which is now in the possession of another person, you will have a right to possession of that document if you have mentioned it in your case. You must take immediate steps to recover and preserve it for the purpose of this case.

 

Where I have mentioned a document and there is in your possession more than one version of that same document owing to a modification, obliteration or other marking or feature, each version will be a separate document and you must provide a copy of each version of it to me. Your obligations extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for any version(s) to include an obligation to recover and preserve such version(s) which are now in the possession of a third party.

 

In accordance with CPR 31.15© I undertake to be responsible for your reasonable copying costs incurred in complying with this CPR 31.14 request.

 

If you require more time in which to comply with this request you must tell me in writing. You must tell me before the time for compliance with this request has expired. In telling me you require more time you must tell me what steps you have taken and propose to take in order to comply with this request and also state a date by when you will comply with this request. In addition your statement must be accompanied with a statement that you agree to an extension of the time for me to file my defence. Your extension of time must be not less than 14 days from the date when you say you will have complied with my request and you must state the new date for filing my defence.

 

If you are unable to comply with this request and believe that you will never be able to comply with this request you must tell me in writing.

 

Please note that if you should fail to comply with this request, fail to request more time or fail to agree to an extension of time for the filing of my defence, I will make an application to the court for an order that the proceedings be struck out or stayed for non-compliance and a summary costs order.

 

I do hope this will not be necessary and look forward to hearing from you.

 

yours faithfully janedow

 

I have amended the letter a little. My only concern is that the POC from Tradepro/MKD is pretty vague and does not mention documents. This is probably deliberate, so that they can say that they don't need to comply with the CPR 31.14 request. For this reason, I have raised a question with the site team, to see whether they advise any change to the letter.

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You can only request documents that are mentioned in the Particular of Claims. Any other information would need to be requested via CPR part 18 and you need to be pretty cute in the way you request such information.

 

I have put an example below.. Please, please do not simply copy this, you must ask the questions required for your own circumstances.

 

Depending on the responses you receive, you should then simply be able to request copies of the documents from which they obtain the information they give.

 

xx

 

Your Name

Your Address

IN THE XXXXXXXXX county courtlink3.gif

CLAIM NO:

BETWEEN:

XXXXXXXXXX

Claimant

and

XXXXXXXXXXX

Defendant

PART 18 REQUEST FOR FURTHER INFORMATION

To: XXXXXXXXXX (claimant)

 

Please answer the following questions:

1. Upon what date was the last payment made on the account?

2. What was the source, method and amount of the payment?

3. Was a Default Notice issued pursuant to section 87 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (as amended) and if so:

a] Upon what date, for what amount and what was the date for remedy of the breach?

b] Was the issuance of the Default Notice noted in the communications log?

4. Does the amount claimed include charges, and if so what amount?

 

 

TAKE NOTICE THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO ANSWER THE ABOVE REQUEST

WITHIN 14 DAYS OF SERVICE OF THE SAME UPON YOU

 

xx

 

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Thanks for that CB. If a POC is written in such a way to avoid having to provide relevant documents, surely this is an an abuse of process, which needs to be questioned in the Part 18 request. Can you ask for anything to be clarified in a part 18 request and for the claimant to provide supporting evidence by supplying relevant documents ?

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