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    • Including Default Notice Andy? Ok, I think this is the best I can do.. it all makes sense with references to their WS. They have included exhibits that dates don't match the WS about them, small but still.. if you're going to reference letters giving dates, then the exhibits should be correct, no? I know I redacted them too much, but one of the dates differs to the WS by a few months. IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • AMEX and TSB the 2 Creditors who you need to worry about the least, ever!  Just stop paying them and forget about it, ignore all their threat o gram letters.  Only if, and with these 2 it's a massive if, you end up with a claim form you need to respond, and there will be plenty of help here.
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I wonder what this judgement actually means. Does it mean that they can write to people with an invoice only ? What then follows ? I presume that this latest appeal judgement did not touch on the legal position of downloading/P2P sharing, who is liable and how much they could be liable for. At some point there will have to be more test cases taken on these issues and I cannot see it progressing much further. I thought that in the test cases earlier this years, the judge commented that there is no current law that makes the owner of an IP address legally liable.

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Wise advice given.

 

I suspect that any test case will target single occupant households with secure internet connections.

 

The problem however would be to prove that the owner of the IP address was the person responsible.

Who is to say that they did not have friends visiting their address who used their internet on a given date several years ago.

 

It would be very difficult for someone to remember a few hours on a day several years ago.

 

The law as it currently exists does not appear to allow the owner of an IP address to be made responsible for a copyright infringement,

only a person or company who is proved to be responsible.

 

When ACS went to court, the judge who was very clued up about the law,

was scathing about the way they were trying to proceed and that there was not much chance of success with current laws.

 

I think there was some suggestion that only a change in law by parliament to make IP address owners responsible for copyright infringement,

would enable them to recover relevant sums.

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I think in these situations, you would wise not to get into correspondence 'ping pong'. Otherwise the risk is that they will pick on you to take to court. If you have evidence that can be used to totally refute their allegations, then that would be a totally different matter. Without such evidence, I cannot see the point in replying.

 

They will pick on a few people at some stage to take to court. I think this is what has happened before, when the accusation was that the letters were just part of a speculative invoice process.

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Can I refuse without prejudice letters ?

 

Why would you want to. They don't count in regard to any court process, so it is as if they never existed. Therefore even better reason to ignore them. You have already written to them to dispute their original allegation. I would leave it at that.

 

As advised earlier, I suspect that they will pick on people who engage in letter ping pong with them.

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The problem I have here is that supplying this info can only be done if the matter is taken to court because it would involve tell GEIL where I was and which which hospital patients I was attending away from hospital premises.

 

You don't have to tell GEIl anything. If you want to respond, you could just say that as a Healthcare professional, you have a legal duty to maintain patient confidentiality and would be able to supply a Judge in confidence of evidence that showed that you were not at home, at the time of the alleged download of copyrighted materials.

 

In any court hearing, you would be able to show a Judge the information for their satisfaction and the claimant would not get to see it.

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You don't have to tell GEIl anything. If you want to respond, you could just say that as a Healthcare professional, you have a legal duty to maintain patient confidentiality and would be able to supply a Judge in confidence of evidence that showed that you were not at home, at the time of the alleged upload/download of copyrighted materials.

 

In any court hearing, you would be able to show a Judge the information for their satisfaction and the claimant would not get to see it.

 

I repeat the advice given previously, which is either do not respond or if you have reasons as to why you have nothing to do with the allegations then respond with those reasons. e.g what I said before.

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If GEIL are not following court procedure surely they can be reported for this.

 

If they are not following court procedure, why point it out to them. This is your 'Ace' card, if this was ever taken to court. There have been recent warnings by the Judiciary that they are fed up with claimants not following correct procedure or not doing as instructed.

 

I would think that what is happening here, is that GEIL are only writing to a limited number of people (say 200 ) just to show that this is not a speculative invoice process, but a genuine attempt to deal with copyright infringements. Out of this limited number they will pick on a few cases to take to court. Just a guess, but it makes sense to me based on what has happened before.

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If anyone went on to SELL the film they've downloaded they'd be quite right to sue for a loss.

and what also needs questioning is their "INDEPENDENT" expert witness". Independent to who? Not me.... I didn't ask him but they're paying him so how does that make him independent?

 

They can suffer a loss because their copyrighted products have been shared online. If you read the standard copyright terms for purchased music or films, it is for the private use of the person who has purchased the item.

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no i haven't. just in case anyone is watching , a rather large retail has more than enough evidence in the archives to prove downloading isnt necessary.

 

So cryptic, I could not understand it.

 

You mean that the downloading is not necessary, because most of the material subject to these speculative invoices can be obtained for pennies or for free.

 

Think this misses the point. The people who hold the licence for these copyrighted materials have certain legal rights. If you obtain the materials through illegal distribution, then you can be subject to legal action. The problem with an internet connection, is that they cannot prove that the bill payer was responsible.

 

Anyone receiving a letter asking for the whereabouts of the bill payer at the time of the download should not respond. It is none of their business.

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I posted about hardcore porn, which was a thought on the ethical dimension. No worries.

 

Hardcore porn is nothing new. It goes back hundreds of years. Before it could be filmed, the rich would get artists to paint them graphic paintings showing scenes you would see in modern day porn.

 

Anyway, this thread is for people receiving letters and wanting advice. Not a debate on the ethics of the porn industry.

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Dangerous if they go down the streaming route. If this was accepted by a court, then anyone who viewed copyrighted material on Youtube or any other online site could be liable to pay a relevant amount for the material.

 

Personally I think the copyright/license holders should only be able to go after the person who uploaded the material in the first place and any site that makes the material available to others.

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So to necro a thread but these monkeys are trying it on again.

 

Nothing being reported online about this. Have you had a letter ?

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It is a different copyright owner who is trying this. I think the ISP should advise its customers when they have had to pass on their personal information via a court order.

 

I have suspicion that the porn and film studios are uploading their own films to internet sites, so they can later pursue people for money. Most of what they produce would not make them much money. But if enough people download their products, then when the law permits it, they could make a lot of money.

 

Have you noticed that most of the film work titles where they are pursuing people for money are not blockbusters, where hundreds of thousand or millions of people have downloaded.

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There was talk of this happening when The Expendables 3 was uploaded in near-perfect DVD quality approx. 3 weeks before the cinema release dates.

 

Then the movie owners Millennium Films & Lionsgate began then targeting file-sharers.

 

Stigman

 

I seem to remember that the film studios gave up because they did not want the bad publicity of going after people. Many will be young people with very little in the way of finances and in family households, it may not be easy to identify the person who breached copyright.

 

It is the person who uploaded/downloaded the material and not the owner of the internet connection who would be responsible.

 

If people are using VPN services to mask their internet connections, that won't make it easier.

 

What the copyright holders should be doing is going after the torrent sharing sites and getting their material removed.

 

This really is no different to one person buying a DVD or a book and passing it around their friends/family to see it. But of course the internet allows it to happen on a much bigger scale.

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Back to GEIL who think they're above every law and [problem]......Yeah [problem] !

 

Do these recent letters have anything to do with GEIL ?

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Well they seem to like putting their name to them, from what people say.

 

They would have to say so, given the previous court rulings.

 

The new letters seem to come from US law firms, who think they can make money in the same way as previous ones have tried.

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Called ?

 

It is in the article linked to by someone previously.

 

TCYK LLC based in the US. Not sure who would be sending the letter out to UK people.

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I wonder if any of these speculative invoicing merchants can provide proof that have permission to represent the people they say.

 

The previous court claims did not work out very well and the Solicitor who was involved found themselves out of their job. Other Solicitors pulled out of it, when they realised it was not going to be very easy.

 

My reading of the situation, is that copyright holders would require a change in the law, to be able to proceed. They can send the letters out, but that is about it. They cannot prove that the person who paid the internet bill was responsible for the copyright breach.

 

There is also the issue of the IP address not being correctly identified. I seem to remember a Vicar being alleged to have downloaded some title, which may have seen him removed from his position. There was no proof his internet connection had been used or it was him involved.

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for all those curious coughdrop had a similar username on a differnt forum

 

This is the game played by the other site, that has been going on for years. If they want to keep going on about it like a stuck record, let them.

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If someone owning rights to a film go to a court for an order to make internet companies release IP address customer details, these are mostly granted. Sometimes the rights to a film have been purchased by a company or legal firm with the intention to bring court claims. But if they make enough money from the invoices they send out, then they probably would not proceed. Even in a one person household, unless they can obtain evidence of who downloaded the film, it would be difficult.

 

What is happening in regard to torrent sites, is that they are being closed down quickly as soon as they have moved to a new countries domain. Copyright holders are now managing to get their material removed. Also people who have uploaded films etc to the torrent sites are being prosecuted around the world. I think someone in Finland was jailed.

 

The torrent sites are trying to continue, with people signing up to services where they maintain 100% anonymous, but i don't think it will be too long for action to be taken.

 

The era of downloading free stuff from the internet is coming to an end, with countries authorities more likely to take action. I certainly would be very nervous about uploading content online and if you download or have downloaded, you could well be invoiced at some point.

 

I think if you receive several letters and it looks like they are looking to take to court, then you might choose to reply that you do not have current knowledge of the allegation they are making and that the person paying for the internet connection, denies any liability for the matter.

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This issue is being tackled already, as government set up a Police unit to tackle illegal sharing of copyrighted materials. You cannot connect directly to most file sharing sites and have to go by a VPN. But many VPN are gradually facing action, as are the torrent sites. The torrent sites are now full of malware, which presumably copyright holders have put on there. I used to download a few documentaries and TV programmes, but cannot do it now. There is probably a way, but i cannot be bothered.

 

There have also been arrests in various countries and in Sweden i think someone was jailed for uploading various US movies.

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The City of London Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit (PIPCU) mainly targets either organisations or individual uploaders who upload on a grand scale, this new wave is exactly the same as the Goldeneye saga where anyone suspected of downloading (certain films) will receive a letter on behalf of the film-makers asking for compensation.

 

This new wave is a civil matter and not a criminal matter which PIPCU are involved in.

 

PIPCU are funded by the UK tax payer, not one penny comes from the movie & record Companies that they protect from Copyright theft.

 

Stigman

 

I heard that this Police unit were actively stopping people from being able to upload or download, by targeting the sites that enable this. There is also concern that VPN's are being used for anonymous communications for criminal purposes e.g terrorist, illegal material.

 

The Police might deal with criminal issues, but from what i have read, they are working closely with other countries Police forces to try to stop this sharing of copyrighted materials.

 

I have just read an article on Torrent Freak, where they discuss how much malware tracking is going on. Torrents are being added purely to obtain data, so they can try to track people down.

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and any money they fleece out of people will go directly into their pockets I bet!

 

 

much as ACAS LAW and RLP

 

 

totally ignore them

 

 

That is the case and people can ignore if there is no proof that the internet account owner was responsible for the copyright breach.

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I suspect some copyright holders do upload their films onto torrent type sites, with a view to make money from speculative invoicing at some point in the future. Many films make losses and are used to write off against tax. They then have to think about how they can make any money, by selling it on or doing something else with it.

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The other issue is whether buying the copyright allows you to take action for breach of the copyright, which happened before the copyright purchase took place. It is not the same as buying a consumer credit debt, where there is a contract with terms and conditions. A debt can be sold on and the new owner of the debts has rights in line with the original contracts t&c's.

 

If the original copyright holder did not take action near the time of the infringement, what right has a new owner to take action ? A prospective copyright owner could look at a torrent download site, look at the files downloaded to see what has been popular and then look to purchase the copyright, purely to take forward legal action to make money. It is possible the courts may not like this type of action.

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